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The Soul

Discussion in 'Comparative Religion' started by Marble, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. Marble

    Marble Rolling Marble

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    Does it exist?
    What characteristics does it have?
    How & when does a soul get attached to a particular human body?
    Has the soul a special place in the body, does it reside in the heart, the brain, the liver,...?
    Are the souls of men & women different (why & in which way)?
    Do animals have souls?
    Do plants have souls?
    Is the number of souls limited?
    Can the soul be touched by sin?
    What happens to the soul after the body has died?
    Is the soul affected by the way a body is buried (correct, incorrect)?
    Can a soul die?

    [Edit] Forgot one question: Can to souls unite to become one soul (for instance when 2 people marry)?
     
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  2. Me Myself

    Me Myself Back to my username

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    Soul is all that exists.
     
  3. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Realitarian

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    I, personally, think if the soul exists it is materialistic.
    IMO, probably made of atoms like everything else.
    The same way the rest of the flesh does.


    If the soul were spiritualistic and not materialistic, I'd say this is where I find the problem at... If it is not physical, then it cannot really be in a specific area.
    Not in my opinion.
    Yes, we are animals why would others not have one :D And what about the couple billion years before humans became human, we were animals then too, did we just get souls after then :D

    Yes to plants also.

    Well, physical energy cannot be created or destroyed, in the same way matter can't, so it is limited to how much energy and mass exist in the universe.
    No, there is no such thing as sin, IMO.
    The soul decays since it is made of atoms.
    No.
    It decays, like your body does, but technically the atoms are always around.
     
  4. The Sum of Awe

    The Sum of Awe Realitarian

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    Why I don't understand the concept of a nonphysical soul:

    It can't have a shape or size because it's nonphysical, thus an individual's soul exists practically everywhere at once, not just within you, so what makes it your soul?

    What is not physical cannot be experienced (tasted, felt, seen, heard, smelled) by physical beings. Some people claim angels, God, or souls etc give them signs.

    How can souls move if there is no exterior force controlling their movement. Newton's first law: What is in motion stays in motion until an exterior force stops it. What is at rest stays at rest until an exterior force makes it move.
     
  5. Gjallarhorn

    Gjallarhorn N'yog-Sothep

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    I don't know. What is it?
     
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  6. Madhuri

    Madhuri RF Goddess Staff Member Premium Member

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    My Hindu Perspective:

    Does it exist? YES
    What characteristics does it have?It is Spirit, which means it is eternal, Conscious and innately Blissful
    How & when does a soul get attached to a particular human body?At the beginning of creation, the souls are projected into the universe in order to give life to the simplest forms. When those bodies die, the souls leave the body and wait until a new and appropriate one is available (there is a parallel evolution of the Soul and life-forms)
    Has the soul a special place in the body, does it reside in the heart, the brain, the liver,...?It is said to reside within the heart chakra and the heart chakra is of course in the heart's vicinity/area
    Are the souls of men & women different (why & in which way)?No. All souls are the same, except for their evolutionary progress
    Do animals have souls?Yes
    Do plants have souls?Yes
    Is the number of souls limited?No
    Can the soul be touched by sin?No. As there is no such thing as sin. But is can be covered by ignorance, which is how they all start out
    What happens to the soul after the body has died? It awaits a new body
    Is the soul affected by the way a body is buried (correct, incorrect)?Nope
    Can a soul die?No. It is eternal
     
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  7. Marble

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    Might I know your religion/spiritual direction(s)?
     
  8. Gharib

    Gharib I want Khilafah back

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    And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, "The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little." [17:85]

    yes
    in islamic belief one of the characteristics of the soul is that it stretches and fills the whole body
    on the 120th day of the existence of the fetus
    it stretches and is in every part of the body, just as electricity is in every part of a wire.
    good question, i don't know.
    yes
    no, there is a difference between something having a soul and being alive. in islam we believe all things are living except that only humans and animals have souls
    in the body? yes
    the soul if affected by the sins of the person. we believe that in a state of purity and without sin, the soul shines with light, the more sins it has the darker it gets.
    the angel of death takes it out from the body and then 2 angels come take it and ask a few questions and take it back to the grave where the body is untill the day of judgement when all are resurrected.
    no
    if God wishes to destroy it he can. if a bomb was dropped on someone head the soul would not die, it is not affected by anything in this materialistic life.

    all the above is from an islamic perspective.
     
  9. St Giordano Bruno

    St Giordano Bruno New Member

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    Only as an observation principle of sentiency but I believe it cannot possibly exhibit any objective existence. It is, for want of a better word, the essence of subjectivity but is not an objective entity. It is as though the universe has stumbled on a means to be aware of its own existence just by merely creating every possible accident.
    An emergent property of heightened complexity
    It is not attached it is an observation principle which gives you an illusion you are the center of the universe.
    I think the brain in a collective sense because it is the most complex known object in the universe where sentiency becomes an emergent property, but any brain sufficiently complex enough could have just as easily generated your sense of self like for instance if your parents never met.
    No difference whatsoever, because it is really only the one principle.
    If they are sentient beings they probably do, but again "souls" plural is somewhat of a misnoma because all sentient beings are bound by the same principle.
    No they are not sentient beings.
    I think there only needs to be to one, the multiplicity of souls is just an illusion
    No sin it as much of a fallacy as an objective soul.
    I think you will forget that you were ever born at all in the first place, so much so that the state of not being born and the state of being dead would be subjectively indistinguishable.
    Makes no difference whatsoever
    No because it does not exhibit any objective existence. It never exists as an object in the first place to die.
    It is all the same principle of subjectivity as the universe entered a critical phase of complexity so never really been ununited in the first place, only one soul necessary
     
  10. Marble

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    Isn't it the ego that does that?
     
  11. St Giordano Bruno

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    That IMHO is the nearest thing I find to most plausible to some definition of a "soul" (with a strong emphasis on those inverted commas) but I can never believe in a soul in any orthodox religious sense no matter how hard I try.
     
  12. chinu

    chinu S T O I C

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    means "re-union" with from where we all started the journey of life in the beginning.
    It exists everywhere
    Characteristics have soul, but soul does'nt have any characteristics.
    Anyhow if there's any characteristic in human language that is LOVE, or we can say they both are one and the same things.
    Different parts of the human body has their different souls.
    Ie: Nails have their own, Hairs have their own, Flesh have its own, Blood have its own, Infact the human body is the combination of numberless different sin touched souls.
    But the main sin touched soul through which the total human body, or the full combination of sin touched souls is in command, resides inbetween the centre of both eyes o^o.
    No the souls of men & women are not different but minds are different, infact each and every person has its own mind.
    No animals don't have different souls, but similarly like each and every person has its own type of mind, they also have different mind.
    No plants don't have different souls, but similarly like each and every person and animals has its own type of mind, they also have different mind.
    No the number of souls and minds are not limited, because the production always keep on going.
    Yes the soul can be touched by sins, infact.. sin touched soul = mind
    As the soul is touched by the sins which is equal to mind, So it acquires new body according to its sins.
    No.
    No.
    People means minds not souls, Yes two souls can unite to become one soul, infact numberless souls can unite to become one soul,
    Even two bodies can also unite for the limited time to become one:D, but two minds can never unite.
     
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  13. 4consideration

    4consideration Well-Known Member Staff Member Premium Member

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    My perspective of the soul, including location in the body, is amazingly similar.
     
  14. sweetie

    sweetie New Member

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    Souls are atomic particles. See Chart

    Google Images

    Just chose where you belong to. Each have their own unique characteristics.
    As you decay, emitting alpha, beta and gamma rays, you will transform into another type of atomic particle (material body). This is called fission. When two atoms (souls) unite it`s called fusion ( sperm unites with egg).
     
  15. Marble

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    Somehow I always lad at Google Images when I click on that link... :shrug:
     
  16. Quintessence

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    I avoid using this term in my path, in part because it is synonymous with other terms I already use (e.g. deity, spirit). The "soul" is simply the full and complete essence of something; that essence cannot be understood without understanding its role in the larger whole. This means I don't so much adhere to an idea of "individual" souls in that individuals cannot be understood in isolation (or at least not very well). I also am not a dualist, so I don't separate spirit from matter meaning the soul isn't strictly some otherworldly aspect of reality. Soul includes otherworldly aspects, but also physical aspects. This implies souls are not unchanging or immortal. However, there are other aspects of my beliefs that make this the case... sort of. I won't get into that here, but it suffices to say it relates to the idea of multiverses.

    To actually answer with respect to your template, though...

     
  17. Satyamavejayanti

    Satyamavejayanti Well-Known Member

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    Yes
    It is Eternal

    when the brain is fully formed and ready to function.

    Hmm, not sure. i think its consciousness.

    No, Souls have no distinction of sex.

    yes

    yes

    No
    Hmm, the soul is free to commit sin, but it has to suffer the consequent.

    it resides in atoms, and energy.

    incorrect.

    No

    Not literally, they just become soul mates.
     
  18. St Giordano Bruno

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    Actually the more I have been looking into it the less appealing I find the whole concept of a “soul” because it implies some form of immaterial entity like a ghost in a biological machine where many religious people believe has the potential to be “stained by sin” where they face some spiritual version of "trial by ordeal" in the afterlife. I am inclined now to agree that the ego is totally different altogether.
     
  19. Madhuri

    Madhuri RF Goddess Staff Member Premium Member

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    Nice, what is you religious 'label' or influence?
     
  20. Tesia

    Tesia Don't lie to me .

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    It exist when you believe it exist
    and it will save u when u in trouble
     
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