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The Soul and its Parts

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Rival, Sep 21, 2021.

  1. Rival

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    If you believe in a soul, does that soul have parts or is it just one whole? Kemetic belief has several parts to one's, for lack of a better word, metaphysical being. It's described well here The Ancient Egyptian Soul | Ancient Egypt Online

    The main parts are the Ba and the Ka, and in death these ideally unite to become a 'completed soul' known as an Akh. The Akh can travel to and fro as it wishes and can be given offerings by the living. The Ba is the effective personality, reputation etc. and the Ka is the vital life-force, or spirit, generally.

    Other parts are the Ib (heart), Ren (name) and Shuyet (shadow).
     
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  2. RayofLight

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    Ancient norse pagans believe in multiple parts to the soul. But I havent studied it yet. So I can't explain it.
     
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    I'm still learning on it basically. It's complex
     
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    @The Hammer has studied norse paganism longer then me. He might know more. I know some parts are the fylgja, the hugr, and the hamr. But I can't go into more detail then that. There are 7 parts
     
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    I think the soul/spirit consists of between a few and a few hundred million parts. We are a colony being. I have no idea how you could test that in any detail; not sure if it's important to do so.
     
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    A a Baha'i I do not believe that the soul has parts. As I said on your other thread I believe that the soul is the personality, so if the soul had parts it would be kind of like a person with a multiple personality disorder. :D

    Interesting you mention the vital force, I have not heard that term since I was in homeopathy school. I believe that the vital force is associated with the soul which means the same thing as the human spirit according to my beliefs.
     
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    The Egyptian soul, Ba, seem to be like the effect we have on the world having existed in it. IOW, where our presence could be felt even though physically not around.
     
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    Yup. Pretty much.
     
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    The soul, atma, is part of paramatma, but does not know it. The spiritual path consists of removing the "veils" surrounding the soul that keep it from knowing it's union with paramatma.
     
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    The Norse/Germanic Soul had 4 separate parts. The Hamr, or Outer Appearance; the Hugr, which was the Soul/Mind, emotions and will; the Fylgja, a spiritual fetch/follower (basically an Astral double), and the Hamingja which encompasses ones potentiality and Fate.

    Death in Norse paganism - Wikipedia
     
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    In my Hindu teachings what is closest to the western concept of the soul is called the (link) Karana-Sarira.

    This is the vehicle that stores the karmas and lessons of past experiences and initiates new incarnations on the lower planes for necessary growth.
     
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    Hm, that's interesting. At a first pass, it seems like Akh is more vehicle-like, and closer to being flesh-like (I could be entirely incorrect). A sort of vehicle beyond the flesh vehicle, and then as for the Ba, that seems like it's more of a pure spirit force. But I don't know, I really have no idea. But I think maybe with the Ba, that seems somewhat closer to the contemporary western conception of the soul. The idea of the personality seems emphasized, and ability of movement seems secondary to us.

    Or perhaps it is combined, in modern conceptions, and this may go all though back to even the pre-christian and western conceptions of the soul, like in seneca's description of the soul. Here we see that the soul is already seeming to be considered a unitary form, uniting the traveling and personality aspect. Though in looking at the passage again, Seneca seems to notably ascribe multiple parts or qualities to a soul, even though they are similar

    Lately as I've been looking at the tarot, an apparently western spiritual construction, the World card apparently has a traditional way to point out soul division, but I'm too much of a beginner to know anything about that either.

    I think I've had a very amateur view on the soul, overall. I have always tended to view things with a generic dualism, but I'm starting to see that further division might be just as salient or important, that things are made up of parts, when I emphasize the wholes.
     
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    Now I've read the myths, but that's definitely something I apparently know nothing about. I'm curious at what point in the stories that is comes into the picture, that's interesting
     
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    In the New Testament, the poor man Lazarus is taken to Abraham's bosom.

    The rich man is tormented by flames. He asks Abraham for Lazarus to put water on his tongue to cool it down.

    It implies that he is experiencing physical pain and has a body. If he has a tongue, it is likely he has other body parts as well, even though his other body is dead and left behind.

    I'm not saying I believe the Christian Scriptures, but it would imply dead people still have bodies in the next life.
     
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    The relationship between the brain and soul is more or less like a clustered failover computer pair located in the different locations. The brain resides in our physical realm while the soul residing in an "adjacent" space. When they depart, the soul naturally will descend to Hades. Some of them are unnaturally brought to another location called the third heaven or "Abraham's Bosom". Thus Lazarus in parable did not naturally descend but was carried by angels to Abraham's Bosom.
     
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    The `soul` hasn't any `parts`, it is the worth of any person,

    it is the spirit within that expresses one's outdoing,

    `good` I would wish.

    We all will miss cognizance, when the whole `soul` is gone.
     
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