Brian2
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https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...tions-vs-jw-new-light-unity-and-truth.220881/Yeah, I started a whole thread about "New Light" a while back if you want to check it out:
Christian denominations vs JW "New Light", Unity and Truth
Interesting thread you started.
Out of the Org only 3 years ago. Have you brought many beliefs with you and how hard was it to start again after leaving?
Your third sentence is one of the main problems with the "New Light" doctrine. The believers think that they have truth, but do not acknowledge the obvious contradiction with that belief and updating their beliefs. Another interesting point is that if their views are subject to change, then why take any of their current interpretations seriously? On top of that, they often say that they just teach obvious truths from the Bible, as if they rely on the Bible for their faith when in fact they rely on the interpretations of the Bible as put forth by men, otherwise the organisation changing their "understanding" wouldn't result in the followers suddenly adapting their "beliefs".
I came out of a Catholic background and notice similarities between the JWs and Catholics, but as a teenager and disillusioned with Catholicism and searching, I ended up being confused by JW teachings and needing to work it all out. I have ended up with a bit of knowledge about the JWs but of course it does get out of date after a while with changes to the teachings, some of which are necessary because the times have moved on. (eg the teachings about what a "generation" is and the whole changing face of the prophecy doctrines which have to adapt to the unrelenting movement of time, which eventually makes statements of 30 years ago wrong.)
It is interesting to speak with JWs as in theory they believe the Bible but in practice it seems that it is the interpretations of the Watchtower that they believe and do not want to be disloyal to that organisation even if it means denying the Bible. I usually end up with the conversations coming to an abrupt halt and me being told basically that they don't want to waste time with me when their time could be spent more fruitfully elsewhere.
This is happening at the moment in this thread with Deeje
Question to Christians - 144,000 Start and Finish
This topic is a deep rabbit hole though. I was even discouraged from reading the books of the founder for some reason. Probably because he calculated the 1914 prophecy based off the measurements of the pyramids rather than taking it from the scriptures. Then the organisation retrofitted the Bibles text to suit that prophecy and in the process had to reject history in order to get it to match.
It is one thing to be ignorant of these things as a JW but it is another thing to know about them as an elder maybe, and to be so loyal to the Org that you think you are being loyal to Jehovah by suppressing the truth from others and not even allowing it to register in you own thinking about the Org. I guess it is like the slow progress someone makes in an army when they eventually can torture people without conscience and thinking they are doing the right thing because it is for the cause.
I have always preferred to argue with JWs using just the scriptures but am coming around to the view that it is first necessary to make them doubt the Org by showing how dishonest it is etc.