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Featured The Son of Man and the Saints of Daniel 7

Discussion in 'Same Faith Debates' started by Eyes to See, Nov 29, 2020.

  1. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    That is your view. For me, Bahaollah was one of the thousands of people who claimed to be representatives of a fictitious Allah without providing any proof other than his vision of the "Heavenly Maid".
     
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    You should study their "New Light" doctrine as it allows previous beliefs to be changed based on better understanding of the scriptures. So the idea that the 144 000 has been fulfilled could possibly be an outdated belief that has been updated. So yes, they do acknowledge that previous beliefs they have had were wrong, even though they might not explicitly express it in that way.

    What is definitely happening is that they predicted that the amount of people partaking of the Lord's Supper should decrease, but with the increase of people partaking, they have said that many of those people might be mentally or emotionally unstable, therefore they are wrong.

    The question then is, how do they know who is "anointed" and who is not.
     
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    Bahai believe in divine messengers.



    God's message to the world, divinely given to many modern psychics, was to do what they already knew.



    They already knew "thou shalt not kill." They already knew, in the bible's Revelation of St. John the Divine, God had commanded that nobody attack Babylon, Iraq, and Revelation 15 (7 plagues) was part of the punishment.



    But why would God convene many modern psychics to tell the world what the world already knew? It is because God knew that in these end times, God would be defied by the misguided and faithless. Satan rules by deception.



    Mohammad, the prophet, did exactly the same thing. He had told the world what the world already knew.



    How do we know that these are real prophets, with real advice? Because the information is merely a repeat of God's words, and those are unmistakably real.



    God said "thou shalt not kill." Psychics around the world convened on the internet, frantic to stop President George W. Bush from defying God by attacking Babylon, Iraq, fearing Revelation 15 (7 plagues) and of God's wrath. They were given dire images of God's punishments, culminating with the total destruction of life on earth. These psychics couldn't sleep because these graphic images were so numerous, graphic, and disturbing. Many of the psychics had very little time to live, and God doesn't want them bragging that he gave them special insights.



    Some psychics were very well known, and had worked for the CIA (located a sunken Russian sub, for example). Others were highly gifted psychics but merely housewives. When they met on the internet, some felt crazy because of their visions of global destruction. But, befriending others who shared their visions, they felt sane and respected.



    Stargate (not the TV show which was named to cover up a real CIA program) was part of Project MKULTRA.



    https://www.amazon.com/Psychic-Warrior-Americas-Foremost-Top-Secret/dp/0312964137



    David Morehouse was a psychic who worked for Stargate (famous for seeing the later explosion of Pan Am Flight 103), showed (in his book, "Psychic Warrior") that the CIA used psychics destructively (and this is contrary to God's plan).



    The modern psychics were irked that government psychics were sensing them because of what they wrote on the internet, since, officially, the Stargate program had been shut down in 1995 (they used low quality psychics). The modern psychics were encouraged to know that these government psychics were far inferior in power. Yet, they tried to push away their psychic power, and found that they could not (it is in the nature of psychic energy that it can penetrate virtually anywhere, except, of course, heaven, which is protected by a vortex of psychic energy). However, the psychic energy can be pushed aside and wrong information can be intentionally fed back to the source, discouraging them.



    On occasion, these modern psychics played with each other, seeking the limits of their powers. For example, sometimes they psychically visited each other, and toured each other's homes. Sometimes they played games sensing how many fingers were held up. In some cases, injuries were incurred, due to the extreme power of the psychic energy.



    Revelation (a chapter of the New Testament bible) said that the Bush presidents were inhabited by evil demons from the brimstone depths of the bottomless pit of hell (identified as the attackers of Babylon).



    The modern psychics were awestruck by the evil and power that they had sensed in W. Bush (the beast, more so than his father, the dragon).



    This wasn't just about the things that W. Bush did (torture camps, wars against peaceful nations that killed a million people, lies, environmental damage, economic destruction, condemning an innocent man to death as Governor of Texas by not allowing DNA evidence, spying on everyone's telephones and internets, etc). Nor was it about the things that the dragon (Bush Senior) did, such as having a sex affair with Jennifer Fitzgerald, and trading counterfeit currency and faked Russian arms and hard narcotics (which ended up on the streets of the US) in order to support an Contra dictator and arm Iran (Iran Contra Scandal). It was about the evil that they sensed in President W. Bush. They could feel his dark soul....the soul of a Satanic demon, and a very very powerful one.



    Some of the psychics tuned their psychic abilities to the oval office and overheard discussions about the war and about how W. Bush wanted to illegallly make a war against Niger (falsely accusing them of selling yellow-cake Uranium to Iraq, but their aid, Wilson, had refused to tell lies and make a phony war. They punished Wilson by outing his CIA wife, Valery Plame).
     
  4. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    I had a read of Daniel 7 and see it could be the History of Faith.

    In the Bible I see the beasts mentioned are Mens rule on this earth. When God's Law is forgotten men become the beast that devours faith.

    The 4 Beasts is interesting, I see the first 3 cover a large history of Faiths. The first beast being all Faiths that have lost the records of the Messengers,

    ".... until its wings were torn off and it was lifted from the ground so that it stood on two feet like a human being, and the mind of a human was given to it..."

    Man's ideas replaced what was from God

    The 2nd beast could refer to the Jewish history, the 3rd beast to Christianity and its history and the 4th Beast seems to tie in with Islam and its history connected to the Messages of the Bab and Baha'u'llah.

    The 4th beast to me in Daniel 7 is no doubt Islam and it rule by men, forgetful of. Muhammad and the Quran.

    The son of man in this chapter to me is the Bab and the Ancient of Days is Baha'u'llah.

    Regards Tony
     
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    Fourth heaven? Wherever that came from makes no difference.
    Whether the son of man is sitting, standing, or running, does not matter.
    The fact is, after his ascension to heaven, Jesus is continually identified as the son of man.
    So for anyone to claim that the son of man is someone other than Jesus, is to contradict the scriptures, because when Jesus said, “The sower of the fine seed is the Son of man" and " The Son of man will send his angels" (Matthew 13:37-41)
    ". . .the Son of man is to come in the glory of his Father with his angels" (Matthew 16:27)
    ". . .when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones. . ." (Matthew 19:28)
    "Then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in grief, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." (Matthew 24:30)
    ...and all the rest... (Matthew 24:36-44 ; Matthew 25:31)
    They refer to no one else but Jesus.

    Just as the scriptures say of Michael (Daniel 12:1 - “During that time Michael will stand up, . . .), the son of man will conquer.
    “Sit at my right hand Until I place your enemies as a stool for your feet.” (Psalm 110:1)
     
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  6. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    This passage helps

    Daniel 7:13-14
    “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed."

    So it appears another can come Like unto the Son of Man.

    I see that passage is the Bab who came like Jesus and was also a lamb and the Ancient of Days is the Message of Baha'u'llah.

    Regards Tony
     
  7. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    That to me is Christ returned in the Glory of God, the Father Baha'u'llah.

    The Angles are the Martyrs

    Regards Tony
     
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    That passage does not help Bahais, Tony. It helps us understand the order of events, when God's kingdom will begin to rule in the midst of God's enemies.
    Did God appoint one king or two?

    If the answer is one, which clearly it is, based on numerous scriptures, then Daniel 7 is against Bahais... it does not help them, because the one who comes before the ancient of days is "given rulership, honor, and a kingdom, that the peoples, nations, and language groups should all serve him. His rulership is an everlasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom will not be destroyed."

    One king Tony. Who is that? (Matthew 19:28 ; Luke 22:28-30; Psalms 2)

    Anything could mean anything to one. That's not what matters.
     
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  9. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    That answer is simple, God is our true King and ruler who has given us worldly rule.

    The Mesengers give the Morals and Laws for the age we live in, that we are to live by.

    We can implement God's kingdom on earth, only when we submit to God.

    Muhammad taught submission.

    Regards Tony
     
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    The answers to the questions that we need to have answers to are all in the Baha'i Writings, although sometimes we need to go digging for them..
     
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    I never said that people were not pursuing science before 1844, I said it took off after 1844, meaning that more scientific discoveries were made after 1844 then were made before 1844, at an ever-increasing pace.

    From Wikipedia: The 19th century in science saw the birth of science as a profession; the term scientist was coined in 1833 by William Whewell,[1] which soon replaced the older term of (natural) philosopher.

    Baha'u'llah contributed to that by releasing the Holy Spirit into the world, just as Jesus had done in His age.

    “Know thou that when the Son of Man yielded up His breath to God, the whole creation wept with a great weeping. By sacrificing Himself, however, a fresh capacity was infused into all created things. Its evidences, as witnessed in all the peoples of the earth, are now manifest before thee. The deepest wisdom which the sages have uttered, the profoundest learning which any mind hath unfolded, the arts which the ablest hands have produced, the influence exerted by the most potent of rulers, are but manifestations of the quickening power released by His transcendent, His all-pervasive, and resplendent Spirit.”
    Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 85-86
     
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    The answer is indeed simple, but that's not an answer to the question Tony.
    Did God appoint one king or two? One king. Correct? Who is that king? The answer cannot be God.
    God has not appointed or anointed himself as king.

    (Psalm 2:1-12) 1 Why are the nations agitated And the peoples muttering an empty thing? 2 The kings of the earth take their stand And high officials gather together as one Against Jehovah and against his anointed one. 3 They say: “Let us tear off their shackles And throw off their ropes!” 4 The One enthroned in the heavens will laugh; Jehovah will scoff at them. 5 At that time he will speak to them in his anger And terrify them in his burning anger, 6 Saying: “I myself have installed my king On Zion, my holy mountain.” 7 Let me proclaim the decree of Jehovah; He said to me: “You are my son; Today I have become your father. 8 Ask of me, and I will give nations as your inheritance And the ends of the earth as your possession. 9 You will break them with an iron scepter, And you will smash them like a piece of pottery.” 10 So now, you kings, show insight; Accept correction, you judges of the earth. 11 Serve Jehovah with fear, And rejoice with trembling. 12 Honor the son, or God will become indignant And you will perish from the way, For His anger flares up quickly. Happy are all those taking refuge in Him.

    The simple answer is God's son Jesus Christ is the anointed, and appointed king of God's kingdom.
    He rules until God puts all enemies under his feet.
    (1 Corinthians 15:25-28) 25 For he must rule as king until God has put all enemies under his feet. 26 And the last enemy, death, is to be brought to nothing. 27 For God “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that this does not include the One who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.
     
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    Daniel 7 is about Baha’u’llah, who was one like the Son of man, the return of the Son of man who came in the clouds of men’s ignorance.

    Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

    Jesus ascended into heaven in the clouds. Baha’u’llah, one like a son of man, descended from the clouds of heaven of the Will of God, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed. These verses are about an earthly Kingdom, not a heavenly Kingdom. Jesus’ Kingdom was in heaven, Baha’u’llah’s Kingdom was on earth.

    John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
    Those verses don’t help your case because they are not about Jesus; they are about Baha’u’llah.

    Matthew 19:28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    Baha’u’llah was the return of the Son of man and one like the Son of man.

    Luke 22:28-30 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

    The kingdom Jesus appointed was not a kingdom Jesus would rule. The kingdom was not of this world, it was in heaven.

    John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

    Psalms 2:6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.

    If we see what Zion Means to a Jewish Person, then we can then draw conclusions as to what Zion really is.

    "..Judaism. Zion is the Hebrew name for a hill south of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, upon which was built the City of David. ... The location of the Temple, and in particular its Holy of Holies (innermost sanctum), is the most holy place in the world for the Jewish people, seen as the connection between God and humanity."

    "In biblical usage, however, “Mount Zion” often means the city rather than the hill itself. ... Mount Zion is the place where Yahweh, the God of Israel, dwells (Isaiah 8:18; Psalm 74:2), the place where he is king (Isaiah 24:23) and where he has installed his king, David (Psalm 2:6)"

    Thus it is Logical that Zion moves to where God chooses to give and place His Messenger.

    Also consider;
    "The word Zion literally means 'marked' or 'distinctive.' It refers to those inner qualities that distinguish the Jewish people - a 'people who dwells alone' with their own unique spiritual traits."

    As evidenced by the fact that the Jewish prophecies were fulfilled there, that holy hill is Mt. Carmel.

    Isaiah 35 King James Version (KJV)

    35 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.


    Above Haifa, Israel, stands Mt. Carmel, proclaiming the Glory of the Lord has come.

     
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    The simple answer is that Baha'u'llah is the appointed king of God's kingdom who was installed On Zion, God's holy mountain, unless you have another explanation as to why all the prophecies have been fulfilled and still no Jesus... o_O

    Isaiah prophesied that the Plain of Sharon and the holy mountain, Carmel, would both be centres for the light and presence of the ‘Glory of the Lord’ in the last days. He said:

    “The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.” (Isaiah 35:1).

    “It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the LORD, and the excellency of our God.” (Isaiah 35:2).

    “And the ransomed of the LORD shall return, and come to Zion with songs and everlasting joy upon their heads: they shall obtain joy and gladness, and sorrow and sighing shall flee away.” (Isaiah 35:10).

    Again in the chapter preceding the one in which he, Isaiah, promises that God will raise up a ‘righteous man from the East’, he foretells:

    “And the Glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together: for the mouth of God hath spoken it.” (Isaiah 40:5).

    "In that same year (1890) Bahá’u’lláh’s tent, the “Tabernacle of Glory,” was raised on Mt. Carmel, “the Hill of God and His Vineyard,” the home of Elijah, extolled by Isaiah as the “mountain of the Lord,” to which “all nations shall flow.” Four times He visited Haifa, His last visit being no less than three months long. In the course of one of these visits, when His tent was pitched in the vicinity of the Carmelite Monastery, He, the “Lord of the Vineyard,” revealed the Tablet of Carmel, remarkable for its allusions and prophecies. On another occasion He pointed out Himself to ‘Abdu’l-Bahá, as He stood on the slopes of that mountain, the site which was to serve as the permanent resting-place of the Báb, and on which a befitting mausoleum was later to be erected." (God Passes By, p. 194)

    The Baha’i World Centre is on Mount Carmel... How do you explain that?

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    Let me walk with you.
    Daniel 7:13-14 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought [Bahaullah] near before him. And there was given [Bahaullah] dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve [Bahaullah]: [Bahaullah's] dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and [Bahaullah] kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

    Bahaullah came and went.
    All people, nations, and languages did not serve Bahaullah.
    Bahaullah never had a dominion that last forever.

    If you say it's a figurative kingdom on earth, the only ones who take that seriously in connection with God's kingdom, are Bahais and Bahai believers.
    That's okay with me.

    Take care Trailblazer, and @Tony Bristow-Stagg
     
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    The building didn't just drop there from heaven Trailblazer. You guys chose the spot, based on your beliefs. Isn't that so?
    Jim Jones chose his location too, and so did David Koresh. Were their location blessed or special because they chose it?

    Anyhow, take care. I am out.
     
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    What does the Son of Man mean in Hebrew?

    "Son of man" is the translation of one Hebrew and one Aramaic phrase used in the Hebrew Bible. ... As generally interpreted by Jews, "son of man" denotes mankind generally in contrast to deity or godhead, with special reference to their weakness and frailty.

    Son of man (Judaism) - Wikipedia


    Baha'u'llah was ther RETURN of the Son of man. The same Jesus in the same body is not going to return to earth and build a kingdom, He said so.

    John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

    John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

    John 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

    John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
    They refer to no one else but Baha'u'llah, who has already fulfilled all the prophecies in the Old Testament and the New Testament. William Sears, Thief in the Night
    Sorry, but those verses do not refer to Jesus, since 1844 came and went and still no Jesus; not that anyone should have been surprised if they were conversant with the Bible (John 14:19, John 17:4, John 17:11, John 19:30, John 18:36)

    Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

    Daniel 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?

    Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

    Daniel 12:12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.


    The 2,300 years came in 1844 and the book was unsealed by Baha’u’llah. That math is explained in Some Answered Questions, 10: TRADITIONAL PROOFS EXEMPLIFIED FROM THE BOOK OF DANIEL.
     
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    Oh please. spare me the pain of it all. :rolleyes:

    No, the Baha'is did not choose the spot, based on our beliefs.
    The spot is where all the OT prophecies that refer to Mt. Carmel were fulfilled by Baha'u'llah, prophecies which Baha'u'llah did not set out to fulfill, because He had no control over what happened to Him.

    Please note that Baha’u’llah had no control over His own destiny for the last 40 years of His Life after He declared His mission because He was deemed a prisoner of the government He was banished and exiled from place to place. The following prophecy was fulfilled by these exiles and banishments.

    Micah 7:12 In that day also he shall come even to thee from Assyria, and from the fortified cities, and from the fortress even to the river, and from sea to sea, and from mountain to mountain.

    He shall come from Assyria: At that time Assyria was a large area. Baha’u’llah and His family lived in the part that was Persia, now Iran, in the city of Tihran.

    and from the fortified cities: Baha’u’llah was banished from city to city: After being released from the Black Pit dungeon in Tihran in 1852, His family and companions had only a short time before being sent to the fortified city of Baghdad. While living in Baghdad, He gained such a large following that the enemies where shocked. Right away He was banished again, this time to the fortified city of Istanbul.

    The Governor of the city refused many times to fulfill the orders that he received to banish Him again. Finally forced to follow orders, Baha’u’llah was banished again to the fortified city of Adrianople. He was honored and praised, and shown respect everywhere, until He was finally sent to the most horrific of all places, the fortress of Akka, where it was expected that He would succumb to the terrible conditions.

    and from the fortress even to the river: It was while in Baghdad that the Tigris river became a special place, as Baha’u’llah crossed it to the Ridvan Garden. April 21, 1863 was the fulfilment of prophecy, as that was when Baha’u’llah declared to those around Him His Station as the Manifestation of God.

    and from sea to sea: After His banishment in Baghdad, His exile was by way of the Black Sea. Still a prisoner He crossed the Black Sea from Sinope on His way to Constantinople. After the banishment in Adrianople, He crossed the Mediterranean Sea from Gallipolis in Turkey, embarking at Alexandria, Egypt, then on to the fortress of 'Akka, the most desolate of cities.

    and from mountain to mountain: The time in Baghdad was turbulent with opposition. To protect His family and companions Baha’u’llah went to the Kurdistan mountains. There He lived in poverty, but the area was magnetized by His presence. After two years, He was persuaded to return to Baghdad.

    The other mountain was in Israel, Mount Carmel, where He had docked before His final journey to Akka. Later He had a chance to return to Mount Carmel, to pitch His tent. Here He wrote the Tablet Of Carmel, surrounded by pilgrims looking for the return of Christ to descend from heaven. Mount Carmel is the headquarters of the Baha’i Faith.
    (Notes from: William Sears, Thief in the Night)

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  20. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    Baha'u'llah means 'Glory of God'

    The Glory of God, the Father, is found in all Messengers and found in Jesus the Christ, the Son.

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