The son of god?

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I believe Jesus clearly identified himself as God's Son. To some opposers, Jesus said; "do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" (John 10:36) Jehovah acknowledged Jesus as his Son at his baptism, saying; "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved." (Matthew 3:17) Throughout his life, Jehovah empowered his Son to perform miracles. Jesus pointed to those works as proof of his Father's backing. (John 10:37,38)

How do pagans do miracles?

I have not heard of anyone greater

Well, Krishna was killing demons sent to assassinate him when he was a baby. Actually, so did Hercules, sorta. There are lots of superpowered beings who have done way cooler stuff than Jesus. It seems like all Jesus ever did was argue with demons and throw pigs off a cliff.

ALL are God's children?.....no judgement call?

what then of Hitler?
picture Hitler, Judas and Jesus sharing bread and a sauce bowl.....
looking each other in the eye

Go read the Prodigal Son story.

what then is your scenario?

I show up and go "are we for real this time or am I going to wake up again?".

Hey. Jesus had his ownn betrayer at his table. Why not hitler?

Jesus liked to dine with all the COOL people. Jesus didn't tell the tax man he was going to hell for just doing his job. Jesus didn't spend much time with the REAL people who were "sick" ... the self-righteous people he said were bad. Be like Jesus?

headed in the wrong direction.
brotherhood is more to whom you are willing to stand alongside.

Judas?....Hitler?.....brothers to you?.......or just friends?

Hitler: Thanks for the invite, Jesus. I was THIS close to destroying the world.

Jesus: Well, I keep meaning to get around to that myself. The whole world should burn.

Hitler: LOL, I know, right?

Jesus: But ... there are so many good movies coming out soon ...

If Jesus is not the son of God.....with all the grace he carried.....
the rest of us might have some difficulty standing before God and heaven

What stopped God from forgiving? Was He all like, "Ok, been doing the forgiving thing for random people for, like, AGES ... I need a break ... Jesus? Go do that thing for Me for about 3 decades. I need to unwind."

Why are many christians uncomfortable with life ending in dust?

Well, there's just so much to clean ...

My great-aunt, sister of my maternal grandmother, was terrified to die. "What if I suffocate in the coffin?" I don't think many people got "the talk" when Fluffy died when they were a child.

True. Its not. Why are christians uncomfortable with that fact of life? Why beliefs over facts?

I want either the "turn you into a coral reef" thing or a "turn you into a tree" thing done. Suffering from depression, I don't always feel useful in life. I want to be useful in death, not just some skeleton in a box.

Any proof of such grace?

I would think if God's grace is so all that ... He'd re-friend Satan (assuming the fall happened). I mean, your love is equal to the person you hate the most, right? Maybe that's why the end of the world never happened: God and Satan are drinking buddies again, like the old days.

IF

Now I have a question for you.

What if you died and met the greek gods? Or the Norse gods? Or Allah?

I'd think that was cool. My faith in Truth and Morality doesn't need any particular deity. I go with the one with the most evidence at the time.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Even Adam at death ' returned ' to the dust of the ground - Genesis 3:19
A person can Not ' return ' to a place he never was before.
So, Adam went from non-life, to life, and went back to non-life.
No post-mortem penalty for Adam or anyone else.
Jesus had beliefs/ spiritual beliefs.
Jesus taught only sleep in death - John 11:12-14
Jesus was well educated in the old Hebrew Scriptures which also teach unconscious sleep in death:
- Psalms 115:17; Psalms 146:4; Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13; Ecclesiastes 9:5
So, Jesus based his beliefs on his logical reasoning on the old Hebrew Scriptures. Does Not seem misplaced, but 'in place' because of harmony between the Bible writers.

These are beliefs not facts. Thats my point. Nothing wrong with that.

 

[Riverwolf]

How do pagans do miracles?

Like this: you are now breathing deliberately.

 

[Thief]

Okay... what of the many non-human animals that still have sentience?

saw the documentary.....animals have no religion

and neither do I

but logic leads....there is only ONE Almighty

sons of the Almighty?.....sure
God the Father is not able a son?

as for the sentient of life.....
I believe they continue.
I suspect a transformation for them.....and ourselves

 

[Thief]

IF

Now I have a question for you.

What if you died and met the greek gods? Or the Norse gods? Or Allah?

only one is the Almighty....
last I heard He has no name.....
He refers to Himself as ......I AM!

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

only one is the Almighty....
last I heard He has no name.....
He refers to Himself as ......I AM!

You did not answer the question, so why did you quote my post?

 

[Thief]

You did not answer the question, so why did you quote my post?

I am not led by questions

I just hate typos......had to edit

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

I am led by questions

You refuse to answer mine after asking so many yourself.

You are hypocritical.

 

[Riverwolf]

saw the documentary

Which one?

.....animals have no religion

We're animals and we do.

Non-human animals don't seem to have full on religious behavior, true. But many of them do exhibit ritual behavior.

but logic leads....there is only ONE Almighty

Show your logic.

God the Father is not able a son?

Woden is the son of Bor and the father of Thunor. Zeus is the son of Chronos and the father of dozens.

Father Gods are frequently sons themselves.

 

[Thief]

Which one?



We're animals and we do.

Non-human animals don't seem to have full on religious behavior, true. But many of them do exhibit ritual behavior.



Show your logic.



Woden is the son of Bor and the father of Thunor. Zeus is the son of Chronos and the father of dozens.

Father Gods are frequently sons themselves.

you've been here for awhile....and you haven't seen my postwork?

in the scheme of superlatives
bigger, faster, stronger, most intelligent and greatly experienced

Someone fits that description better than all others

 

[Thief]

Well, Krishna was killing demons sent to assassinate him when he was a baby. Actually, so did Hercules, sorta. There are lots of superpowered beings who have done way cooler stuff than Jesus. It seems like all Jesus ever did was argue with demons and throw pigs off a cliff.


Go read the Prodigal Son story.

I know the gospels thank you

and the Carpenter told stories that don't end well
I don't think He was kidding around

 

[Riverwolf]

you've been here for awhile....and you haven't seen my postwork?

Half the time when I read it I'm just trying to figure out what you're even saying.

in the scheme of superlatives
bigger, faster, stronger, most intelligent and greatly experienced

Someone fits that description better than all others

So... Superman?

 

[Thief]

Half the time when I read it I'm just trying to figure out what you're even saying.



So... Superman?

Superman?
too small, too slow, too weak, and not the Creator

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

you've been here for awhile....and you haven't seen my postwork?

in the scheme of superlatives
bigger, faster, stronger, most intelligent and greatly experienced

Someone fits that description better than all others

Superman?

 

[Taylor Seraphim]

Superman?
too small, too slow, too weak, and not the Creator

In all honesty the superman backstory makes more sense though.

 

[Thief]

In all honesty the superman backstory makes more sense though.

I believe the Carpenter was more than human
if not death is eternal darkness

 

[Riverwolf]

Superman?
too small,

"Size matters not." -Yoda

too slow, too weak,

Nope. His potential for speed and strength is infinite.

Haven't you seen his fight with Goku?

and not the Creator

I've never been given reason to think there is a Creator.

Simply using words to prove the existence of a God is a waste of time. They're just grunts and squiggles designed to convey concepts between each other.

 

[Thief]

"Size matters not." -Yoda



Nope. His potential for speed and strength is infinite.

Haven't you seen his fight with Goku?



I've never been given reason to think there is a Creator.

Simply using words to prove the existence of a God is a waste of time. They're just grunts and squiggles designed to convey concepts between each other.

ok ....back to the singularity......and size matters not?

 

[Riverwolf]

if not death is eternal darkness

Why is that such a problem? (Besides the fact that no it isn't.)

 

[Riverwolf]

ok ....back to the singularity......and size matters not?

The singularity was infinitely small, as far as can currently be measured.

So, yes. Size matters not. A point of infinite smallness contained everything needed for this vast universe.