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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Taylor Seraphim, Jan 28, 2016.

  1. Taylor Seraphim

    Taylor Seraphim Angel of Reason

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    Why or why not do you believe that Yeshua (Jesus) is the child of Yahweh (Jehovah/Allah/Abrahamic God)?
     
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    Because we are all the child of what we call God, or whatever name we use, Jesus was just an example of what we can be, but sadly many made him into an idol that no one was allowed to be one with.
     
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  3. Taylor Seraphim

    Taylor Seraphim Angel of Reason

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    True, as I view the universe as divine (though not sentient) I can agree that we are all children of the divine.

    However that is not particular a feat as everything in existence is part of the universe by default.

    Therefore everyone from Hitler to Socrates are children of "god".
     
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    It's more that I'm apathetic to the idea. I'm a polytheist, so I regard the God of Christianity to be just one of many, and in Lore, human children of Gods are commonplace. Heck, traditionally speaking, the English Royal Family are all directly descended from Woden.

    Basically, Jesus being the son of Jehovah isn't anything particularly special, and as a God in his own right, means nothing to me. I'm happy with my own Gods.
     
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    If jesus were the son of God then I do, have to believe in it.
     
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    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    I think it is all wordplay. We can all be likened to children of God; it's just some more advanced souls like Jesus are closer to the source/God.
     
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    Not sure if Yeshua is one of the sons of EL; not YHVH....

    The reason to think he is the son, is what is recorded within the synoptic gospels, and prophecy.

    Anyone who does the work of God, is a child of God according to Yeshua. :innocent:
     
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    According to Islam Jesus is a prophet, a big prophet but not the son of the god. he was not crucified. Judah betrayed and the God punished him. His face and his voice changed like the Jesus face and voice and the jewish people thought that was the real Jesus but the real Jesus has been taken by God (like Prophet Elijah) Jesus is still alive and he will return to this World by the end of the time to fight against Anti-Christ.
     
  9. DawudTalut

    DawudTalut Peace be upon you.

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    Peace be on you.
    1="Child" of God is a metaphor for good and exalted people.
    2=God does not need parents, wife, children and relatives. God is One and Unique.
    3=Previous to Hazrat Abraham (on whom be peace) and after him, all chosen pious servants of God testified that God is One.
    4=In Holy Quran, God rejected the idea of sonship with respect to various angles, some are:
    [ch2:v117] And they say, ‘Allah has taken to Himself a son.’ Holy is He! Nay, everything in the heavens and the earth belongs to Him. To Him are all obedient.

    [4:172] O People of the Book, exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah and a fulfilment of His word which He sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ‘They are three.’ Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a Guardian.

    [6:102] The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a son when He has no consort, and when He has created everything and has knowledge of all things?

    [10:69] They say, ‘Allah has taken unto Himself a son.’ Holy is He! He is Self-Sufficient. To Him belongs whatsoever is in the heavens and whatsoever is in the earth. You have no authority for this. Do you say against Allah what you know not?

    [17:112] And say, ‘All praise belongs to Allah Who has taken unto Himself no son, and Who has no partner in His Kingdom, nor has He anyone to help Him on account of weakness.’ And extol His glory with all glorification.

    [19:36] It does not befit the Majesty of Allah to take unto Himself a son. Holy is He. When He decrees a thing, He says to it, ‘Be!’, and it is.

    [19:89] And they say, ‘The Gracious God has taken unto Himself a son.’
    [19:90] Assuredly, you have done a most monstrous thing!
    [19:91] The heavens might well-nigh burst thereat, and the earth cleave asunder, and the mountains fall down in pieces,
    [19:92] Because they ascribe a son to the Gracious God.
    [19:93] Whereas it becomes not the Gracious God to take unto Himself a son.
    [19:94] There is none in the heavens and the earth but he shall come to the Gracious God as a bondman.

    [21:27]And they say, ‘The Gracious God has taken to Himself a son.’ Holy is He. Nay, they are only honoured servants.

    [23:92] Allah has not taken unto Himself any son, nor is there any other God along with Him; in that case each god would have taken away what he had created, and some of them would surely have dominated over others. Glorified be Allah above all that which they attribute to Him!

    [25:3] He to Whom belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. And He has taken unto Himself no son, and has no partner in the kingdom, and has created everything, and has ordained for it its proper measure.

    [39:5] If Allah had desired to take to Himself a son, He could have chosen whom He pleased out of what He creates. Holy is He! He is Allah, the One, the Most Supreme.

    [43:82] Say, ‘If there had been a son to the Gracious God, I would have been the first of worshippers.’
    [43:83] Holy is Allah, the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne, and He is free from all that which they attribute to Him.


    [112:2] Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
    [112:3] ‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
    [112:4] ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
    [112:5] ‘And there is none like unto Him.’
     
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    all of those abilities He allegedly had.....and NOT the Son of God?
    if the Carpenter is not the Son of God.....having performed as He did....
    the rest of us have no means to approach God
     
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    I believe Jesus clearly identified himself as God's Son. To some opposers, Jesus said; "do you say to me whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?" (John 10:36) Jehovah acknowledged Jesus as his Son at his baptism, saying; "This is my Son, the beloved, whom I have approved." (Matthew 3:17) Throughout his life, Jehovah empowered his Son to perform miracles. Jesus pointed to those works as proof of his Father's backing. (John 10:37,38)
     
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    We are all in some way the sons of God. We owe our souls to him.
    Jesus is a special case ... but may be not the only one... It is clear that God took a special interest in him from his conception.
    In what way he is special, is more problematic as we do not actually know how he was conceived, even the scriptures are coy about it.
    But from what we do know from his life and death, I accept that God regarded him as a Son. So why would not I?

    I am far less convinced of his nature or place in of the Trinity.
    Just as a Muslim believes what is recorded in the Quran, that God is one and has no partner or offspring. Christians believe he had a Son as witnessed in the Bible. Neither have any tangible evidence, nor ever will.
     
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    I have recently been thinking about what that means -and will be looking for scriptures on the subject.

    God, the Father, and God, the Son, are two separate persons -as they have separate wills (even though the will of the Father is done by the Son generally).

    The Son is also called the Word -who was in the beginning with God -was both with God and was God.

    What "the beginning" means, however, is not specified there -though some scriptures may give more information. I seem to recall a few -but need to find them to be sure.

    If of the increase of the government of the Word (and so also the Father above him) who became Christ, there will be no end, then what was governed by them is irreducible at some point. They would be irreducible at some point -whether being the first self-creator and created/self-divided -or having always existed together with some degree of awareness and complexity.

    Christ is called "the firstborn of many brethren" in scripture -and we may become the many brethren. The "vile body" (flesh body -not to say it is bad, but less able and more vulnerable) of the "children of God" will be changed to "glorious" bodies -which will allow them to have power/interface similar to that which allowed the Word to create all things and make all things subject to him.
    It is also written that the whole creation will be liberated from its bondage to decay by the children of God. That is to say, we will have power over cosmic events -to order the universe and create throughout it (perhaps beyond) forever.
    Scripture states that both the heavens and the Earth were formed to be inhabited.

    Though the Word -who was also I AM, Christ and Melchizedek -is without mother or father in an earthly sense, his being the Son of God is as an analogy. More correctly, our family relationships are analogous to the relationship between the Father and the Son.

    Also, the experience of living this human life is likened in the bible to being in the womb and to birth pangs -eventually resulting in being "born again" -and Christ was the first to be resurrected (having experienced this life and death for our sakes) -the first to be "born again" -though he existed before being human, and we did not. So -he is the firstborn of many in that sense, as we may also be born again.

    John 3:
    6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7"Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'8"The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
     
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    The stories and claims of the Bible do not mesh with reality. In general there is nothing to indicate the universe or anything in it needs a creator.
     
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    Taylor Seraphim Angel of Reason

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    This was asking why you do or do not.

    Not what you would believe if it was.
     
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    Taylor Seraphim Angel of Reason

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    Do you have any evidence that those statements where from Yeshua and if they where how do you know they where truthful?
     
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    Can anyone prove he is the son of God? I think none.
     
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    in His last hours His disciples did ask....teach us to pray
    all that time they were with Him and they waited until the last few hours

    and He said to them.....Our Father

    when that item is recited, you are declaring yourself a son of God

    heaven hears it
    so too the devil

    good luck proving it
     
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    The Jews also sometimes call the God as the Father. The Christians also claim they are the children/sons of God. Thus, you are allegedly suppose to claim that you you are also the son of God, don't you?
     
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