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Featured The significance of 1844 in Bible Prophecy

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Tony Bristow-Stagg, Oct 28, 2017.

  1. Tony Bristow-Stagg

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    John 11:40"Jesus said to her, "Did I not say to you that if you believe, you will see the glory of God?"

    This following Vision of Stephen is food for thought, Steven saw Baha'u'llah and Jesus the Christ on the Right of God.

    Acts 7:55"But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God.

    Regards Tony
     
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    That of 1844 was when William Miller gave his Prophecy when he thought Christ would return, which caused many people to leave.
    Had William Miller read to where Christ said, That no man knows the day or hour. Then William Miller would haved known that his Prophecy was incorrect.

    This is where people make their biggest mistake of not knowing what Christ said in the book of Mark 13:23 --"But take you heed, behold, I have foretold you all things"

    You see Christ already foretold all things about his coming and when it will take place in the book of Revelation.
     
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    Those Verse's does not prove the Glory of God as being a new name ?

    All that showing is Steven as seeing the Glory of God, but does not mean it's a new name.
    There are many other places in Scriptures where others saw the Glory of God, but that does not mean it's a new name.

    Leviticus 9:23 --"And Moses and Aaron went into the tabernacle of the congregation, and came out, and blessed the people, and the glory of the Lord appeared unto all the people"

    Therefore there are places in Scriptures where people saw the Glory of the Lord God.
    Besides Steven when he saw the Glory of God.
    This does not mean it's a new name.

    You can go from the book of Genesis to Revelation and find the glory of God being mentioning of.
    But it does not mean it's a new name.

    Everything that was given to Prophet Daniel, Christ made it more clear in the book of Revelation.
     
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    Do you know what Temple that is being speaking of in Revelation 3:12, What Temple is that?
     
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    This is merely another claim though, it doesn't provide any evidence whatsoever. So, you are just basing this stuff on 100% faith? Why do you believe it?
     
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    But, obviously, that "prophecy" would ring true for countless people since it was written, as it is extremely general. What makes you think it is a real prophecy rather than just an expected coincidence?
     
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    The TV show also is given by God in Book of Revelation, or it was your own imagination?
     
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    Can you name another person who claimed to be return of Christ, and that Prophecy rings for him as well?

    If today you go to a coffee shop and you see a friend who you knew long ago, without any plan, that would be a coincidence. But if your friend had already told you that he will be in the coffee shop today, and you go there and he is there it is no more a coincidence. It is as planed. Likewise it was written in the Scriptures that He returns in the year 1844, and He comes to Israel from the way of east, and that is when the Jews who had scattered return to their home. And when all these conditions appeared in the same year in the manner that was written, how could it be called coincidence? It is perhaps unbelievable rather than coincidence.
     
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    Common Sense would tell you, how else would people in other Nations around the world be able to see God's two witnesses laying in the streets.
    The same way we are able to see how hurricane's effect other nations around the world by satellites transmitting signal's.

    Haven't you ever seen where a news reporter maybe in Jerusalem and we can see them on this side of the world by our T.V's by Satellites transmitting signal's.
     
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    Yes, no body knew the exact day or hour. It does not mean no body knew the 'year'.
     
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    Saying it is 'common sense', seems like a way to justify your own imagination. Anybody can use their imagination and call it 'common sense'.
     
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    That's right no one knows the exact day or hour. But God has given in the book of Revelation to let us know what will be happening on that day and hour.
     
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    As to who said anything about Imagination?

    I said Common Sense would tell you in what other way would people be able to see God's two witnesses laying in the streets. If not by satellite transmitting signal's to our T.V's. from the other side of the earth.
    Who knows what people will have to see what is happening on the other side of the earth, say in another hundred years or so.
     
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    The day and Hour was still not known.

    As in all Messages gone before, God always guides souls to prepare the way, the fact that in America there were people already open to the return of Christ, shows the Power and World Embracing scope of the Message that was just about to dawn on Humanity.

    The event happened and only those Souls Pure in Heart had the eyes to see and eras to hear what tge Spirit said unto the churches.

    William Miller got it right but the world was still to work out that God always sends His Christs in the Body of a Man.

    Baha'u'llah has shown by His Life and His Word, that He is indeed the promised Christ.

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    Yet to those that accept it, it is the New Name, it also ties back into the Greatest Name of God.

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    Why, as I see we are more then flesh and bones.

    We are the virtues if we choose. No one can find where Love and the Virtues are, they are Spiritual Attributes which give Life.

    Consider hate pulls life apart, but where is hate but within us who use it.

    Love is the force behind all existence and this world is naught until Love and Justice is available for all people.

    Those that give the Greatest Love and Justice have said they Came from our Creator , I beleive them.

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    Do the Maths to calculate a Coincidence. First start with those that have claimed a Message from God, the Number would not be Huge.

    From that Number How many came from Assyria. Then how many followed the path of that prophecy to end up in the Holy land not of their own free will. It would be calculated to show that Coincidence would be improbable.

    Consider that is but One Prophecy, thus we can then add all the other Prophecy into the sum. The answer would only give us one conclussion we could make, and that is not that it was a coincident.

    There is a book written I have seen at one time that did some of that maths.

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    I do not think we should add something which is not in the Scriptures. If God wanted to say, people will watch it through TV, why did He not say so in the Scriptures? Even if we say, at the time, there was no TV, God still could describe it, saying People will see it in a glass, or box, or something. Interpretation shouldn't be based on something that in no wise is alluded to it, in the Scriptures. Rather we should wait and see how God fulfils it.
    Just as the old Testament had Prophecies about Jesus, but when Jesus came to them, they did not believe He is the fulfilment of Messiah. You know why? Because they had interpreted the Scriptures based on their own imagination, and of course they would call it Common sense. Likewise the Prophecies of New Testament would only be known, when they are fulfilled. So, even if they are fulfilled different than what people could think, it does not mean they are not fulfilled, otherwise we follow in the footsteps of those who rejected Jesus, for the action would be the same as their action; interpretation according to personal opinion.
     
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    Ok, so can you explain how will it be possible for all nations around the earth to see the two witnesses laying in the streets. At the same time ?
    There's no adding to the scripture, it's just common sense.
     
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    It doesn't sound very sensible to be filming a couple of dead guys lying in the street for 3 1/2 days. Someone would be calling the undertakers to remove the bodies, wouldn't they?
     
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