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The sexes are only this:

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Jonathan Bailey, May 16, 2019.

  1. Jonathan Bailey

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    male = sperm-producer
    female = egg-producer

    There is no more to it than this.

    This is the universal truth about the two sexes throughout the animal kingdom.

    Nothing else besides biological gamete type is exclusive to either of the sexes.

    Sexual orientation has no bearing on biological sex or gender expression.

    There are both macho and sissy men attracted to women.
    There are both macho and sissy men attracted to men.

    There are both dainty and butch women attracted to men.
    There are both dainty and butch women attracted to women.

    There are both macho and sissy men attracted to both sexes.
    There are both dainty and butch women attracted to both sexes.

    There are both macho and sissy men attracted to neither sex.
    There are both dainty and butch women attracted to neither sex.

    This notion of playing "boy parts" and "girl parts" in same-sex relationships is nonsense.
    The female sea horse penetrates the male and he carries the young. An anus is not a reproductive organ. Again, there is nothing exclusive to either sex except gamete type all throughout nature.

    In higher order animal species, females carry two like sex chromosomes while males carry two different sex chromosome types. In lower order species, males carry two like sex chromosomes whole females carry two different sex chromosome types.

    There is one known bat species whereas the males produce milk as well as the females.

    There is one hyena species where the clitoris looks like a penis and is similarly sized.

    Roosters have no penis.

    Male elephants have their testicles inside their bodies.

    Female marsupials have no womb.

    Male lions have gorgeous manes while lionesses are round-headed.

    Peacocks are pretty while peahens are plain.

    Cows are as deep-voiced as bulls.

    Some male birds have very high-pitched calls.

    Male bullfrogs are vocal while females are totally quiet.

    Again the sole universal sex definer is the gamete (reproductive body) type.



    Once people get passed the ignorance about what the sexes really are then the world will be in harmony with the LGBT community.
     
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    You have a few mistakes here.

    Some animals change gender during their lifetime. Their gender isn't determined genetically.

    Some animals are hermaphroditic: they produce both sperm and eggs.

    There are species of lizards with only females. They reproduce by parthenogenesis.

    Your statements about chromosomes is wrong: mammalian males usually have two different sex chromosomes with mammalian females having two of the same. Birds, however, are reversed. Reptile gender is often not chromosome dependent. Amphibians and fish often have gender that is determined by environment (but not always).

    Once you get beyond vertebrates, things get more strange. Earthworms are hermaphroditic. In some species there is no real difference between sperm and egg: they are the same size and look identical.

    And, of course, don't forget plants (some of which have male and female) and fungi (some species have more than 100 genders).
     
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  3. ChristineM

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    Clownfish, wrasses, moray eels, gobies and other fish species are known to change sex, including reproductive functions. A school of clownfish is always built into a hierarchy with a female fish at the top. When she dies, the most dominant male changes sex and takes her place.
    Sex change - Wikipedia
     
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    Unfortunately that one gene difference changes more than just sperm and eggs in all creatures.
     
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    What is your source for this?
     
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    None of them are as plentiful as the 100+ gender identifications on Facebook.

    Anyway, if the arguments are in the context of humanity other than the birth defects (like being chimera or intersex, which are obvious _defects_) you are male or female. Other species (non-human) play by completely different sets of rules, so they aren't "example cases" or "justifications" for any imaginary genders people feel like coming up with today.

    I must confess though to be completely clueless as to the direction the OP was taking. So, I might be accidentally trolling -- if that seems to be the case, sorry! :D
     
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    *foghorn wump-wuuuuump* Intersex - Wikipedia
     
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    Tangent, I know, but doesn't that make you look at Finding Nemo in a whole new light?
     
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    Handwaving people as "defects" doesn't make them not be a thing.
     
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    THE EASTER BUNNY theory!!!!

    Why is partheogenisis central to the christian story? Early science held that the virgin birth was fact scientifically speaking based on partheogenisis. Although it was from the scientific observations of rabbits or Easter bunny as we know it today.

    A prIme example of history become legend and legend becomes myth....normals.
     
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    Interesting diatribe. So if a person understands about sea horses they will accept a man, with every cell in his body reflecting he is a man, who has had slicing and dicing, as a woman ?

    He has the right to pretend he is a woman, and you have the right to pretend with him.

    I prefer reality
     
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    Here's the interesting thing.

    I used to accept the cultural norm that sexes are pretty black-and-white. That is, they're a biological fact (as opposed to gender, which is a cultural construct). Then I started learning some things that began to erode at that assumption. First, in my college education as a biologist I learned that the ways in which humans do sex is pretty bizarre and non-standard as far as life on this planet goes. I learned that the vast majority of life on this planet is asexual, and that the vast majority of multicellular life doesn't exactly conform to dualistic notions of sex either. But even at that point, I was still of the thought that sex is something of a biological fact.

    Then I took a diversity training workshop at my place of work within the last few years or so. When I took it, I was already fairly familiar with the diversity of human sexuality, sexual identity, gender identity, and so forth. I was not expecting biological sex to also be revealed as something of a social construct. I distinctly remember sitting there thinking the presenter was full of crap and that they weren't a biologist. Except then they started talking about biology and knew what they were saying. They asked a simple question - what are the biological characteristics of maleness and femaleness? Together, we all brainstormed the various things that make one a biological male and female. Once we had our list of primary and secondary sex characteristics, it became obvious really quickly that us assigning those characteristics in a dichotomous fashion to "male" and "female" was at least somewhat of a social construct. How much of a social construct it is, I'm still mulling over. But when the people we call "male" and "female" exhibit biological sex characteristics across the spectrum, I can't rightly say anymore that it's such a black-and-white issue.

    Personally, I don't have much of a horse in this race one way or another. I don't care about sex, in both meanings of the term. It's not how I judge or assess individual persons, humans or otherwise. Whatever someone wants to call themselves, I'll respect that.
     
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  13. ChristineM

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    I was considering mentioning Finding Nemo in the post but thought... Tangent ;)

    Nope. I looked at in WTF mode first time round. But it has given the kids a bit of education.
     
  14. Jonathan Bailey

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    While in the army an NCO was giving soldiers in my unit a class on the military's equal opportunity program. He made a note about sex saying that the only universal difference between male and female is whether they produce eggs or sperm. If the animal species is hermaphroditic, then of course only the male part produces sperm and only the female part produces eggs. This universal reality exists at least in the animal kingdom whereas a species is sexual as opposed to asexual. Most animal kingdom species are binary sexual and virtually all vertebrates are unisexual having male and female in separate bodies.
     
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    Ahh. Hearsay then.
     
  16. Jonathan Bailey

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    In humanity, male means sperm-producing and female means egg-producing in strict terms of biology. Women often put on make-up but that is not natural or sex-defining in nature. Men in American culture are obsessed with football but that is not a natural sex-definer either. That women produce milk, menstruate and bear children is secondary to defining biological sex in the human race. That men have penises and penetrate women sexually to impregnate them is still a secondary sex-defining set of traits specific to humans and all mammals.
     
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    Mother Nature is the ultimate reality. Child-bearing is not exclusive to the female sex. A deep voice is not exclusive to the male sex.
    Mother Nature did not "slice and dice" a male seahorse as "a woman".

    I don't know about most or all, but many homosexual men don't pretend to be women. A pair of homosexual men are still two biological males meaning they are each strictly a sperm-producer. A pair of lesbians are two biological females meaning they are still each strictly an egg-producer. Sex in nature is not strictly about continuing the species: it is also about pleasure.
     
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    The direction I'm taking is to The Truth: male is a sperm-producer in nature and female is an egg-producer in nature, there's nothing more to say regarding what the binary animal sexes really are. People have really made sex a complicated issue using the human model "to try to define sex". Male and female don't always work in nature as man perceives his own species to be.
     
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    I think the OPs point was that gender identification and sex are two entirely different categories.

    But I might be mistaken.

    I would like to be able to claim that all those Facebookers are only referring to their gender identification and not conflating that with sex, but well...
    (And even gender identification consists of several independent subcategories which many people are conflating.)
     
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