The Semi-Anti-Vaxers

[Revoltingest]

Only there is evidence that vaccinated people still spread covid anyway. So what's the issue?
It's not safer, that's a false premise.

I notice that your argument isn't quantified at all.
Not all risks are equal. This is a big problem with
the semi-anti-vaxers, ie, the failure to address
unequal probabilities & severities of risks.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

I've seen a huge range ... right from the vocal anti-vaxxer who goes to the street in front of hospitals and yells at everyone, to the quiet person who rarely goes out, never speaks their mind about it, and has made the decision that they personally don't need the vaccine, because their lifestyle never was risky.

So too with the pro side ... there's a range.

Some people rather kill themselves being activist while others find it irrelevant to make a public scene. Just depends, really. We'd have to really know the person to judge their intentions either way.

 

[Valjean]

Excuses? No, logical reasons.

Nothing is perfectly safe. There are a great many more toxic episodes and deaths from taking aspirin or penicillin than there are from the vaccines. Do the vaccine doubters criticize these, as well?

Only there is evidence that vaccinated people still spread covid anyway. So what's the issue?

There is evidence that seatbelt wearers are still killed in car accidents. Is this a legitimate reason to avoid them?

It's not safer, that's a false premise.

What's not safer?

 

[Revoltingest]

In the news....
First responders nationwide resist COVID vaccine mandates
Semi-anti-vaxing seems to be a protest against requirement by an authority.
Often no complaint about the vaccine itself...just refusal for its own sake.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Nothing is perfectly safe. There are a great many more toxic episodes and deaths from taking aspirin or penicillin than there are from the vaccines. Do the vaccine doubters criticize these, as well?

There is evidence that seatbelt wearers are still killed in car accidents. Is this a legitimate reason to avoid them?
What's not safer?

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you from being a carrier. At best it might make your symptoms milder. That's it. That's literally the only reason left to be vaccinated. So why should I be pushed to do something that only affects my health?

 

[Wildswanderer]

I notice that your argument isn't quantified at all.
Not all risks are equal. This is a big problem with
the semi-anti-vaxers, ie, the failure to address
unequal probabilities & severities of risks.

Because we don't know who is a carrier. Be realistic. We don't have that information because it's impossible unless everyone is tested everyday. But, wait the testing isn't accurate anyway. I know people who obviously have it that tested negative. Even when their spouse has the same symptoms at the same time they do.

 

[Revoltingest]

Because we don't know who is a carrier. Be realistic. We don't have that information because it's impossible unless everyone is tested everyday. But, wait the testing isn't accurate anyway. I know people who obviously have it that tested negative. Even when their spouse has the same symptoms at the same time they do.

Being realistic...
The lack of knowledge is good reason to get the shots, wear
masks, & keep yer distance from disease ridden humans.

 

[Vinayaka]

I find the DeSantis type interesting....advocating safe
behavior at times, yet also impeding it at other times.
Is this a coherent policy, or is it trying to curb the
pandemic while pandering to an anti-vax base?

Our premier here is like that ... seems to me he doesn't want to lose his base, and still please the masses. His message often contradicts itself. For example, he is totally against any form of vaccine passport (77% of people here want it, mostly for convenience sake) but he also yells, 'Get the vaccine.' He makes a rule and then immediately grands exemptions. He's be far Canada's most unpopular premier.

 

[Wildswanderer]

Being realistic...
The lack of knowledge is good reason to get the shots, wear
masks, & keep yer distance from disease ridden humans.

Facepalm! I have no information that the shots stop anything, but I should get them anyway?

 

[Revoltingest]

Facepalm! I have no information that the shots stop anything, but I should get them anyway?

Having no evidence seems to be due to lack of searching.
A good resource is one of the top public health schools in the world....
COVID-19 Vaccine: What You Need to Know

 

[Valjean]

In the news....
First responders nationwide resist COVID vaccine mandates
Semi-anti-vaxing seems to be a protest against requirement by an authority.
Often no complaint about the vaccine itself...just refusal for its own sake.

I've noticed that, as well. I wonder how consistent their principles are, though. Do they also question speed limits, seat belts, drug laws, building codes or my freedom not to wear pants in the Summer?
I'll bet a lot of these radical individualists would object strongly if I burned a flag.

 

[Valjean]

Being vaccinated doesn't stop you from being a carrier. At best it might make your symptoms milder. That's it. That's literally the only reason left to be vaccinated. So why should I be pushed to do something that only affects my health?

You're correct. Vaccinated individuals can contract covid, but the chances of contracting it are greatly reduced, if contracted the number of viruses shed will be much fewer, and the duration of infectivity -- and the disease -- much shorter. So taking it is socially beneficial.

Wildswanderer said: ↑
Facepalm! I have no information that the shots stop anything, but I should get them anyway?

Where are you getting your information?

 

[Revoltingest]

I've noticed that, as well. I wonder how consistent their principles are, though. Do they also question speed limits, seat belts, drug laws, building codes or my freedom not to wear pants in the Summer?
I'll bet a lot of these radical individualists would object strongly if I burned a flag.

I believe they comply when it's under threat of fines & jail.

 

[Wildswanderer]

You're correct. Vaccinated individuals can contract covid, but the chances of contracting it are greatly reduced, if contracted the number of viruses shed will be much fewer, and the duration of infectivity -- and the disease -- much shorter. So taking it is socially beneficial.

There's no proof this is the case. It's actually impossible to know who is a carrier and who isn't.

 

[Revoltingest]

Celebrities & semi-anti-vaxing.....
Video: 10 of the most prominent anti-vaccine celebrities, from Jim Carrey to Jenny McCarthy