1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

The self learning swarm is here and it's going to get even smarter..

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by Twilight Hue, Nov 28, 2021.

  1. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    40,282
    Ratings:
    +17,561
    Religion:
    Philosophical Buddhism
    Europeans propose siccing self-learning drone swarms on air defenses




    A new age of self learning tech used for military use is here. I don't think this is going to be stopped anymore, and will be used in future wars and population control.

    I can see why AI is worse than nuclear weapons. It's potentially lethal and almost impossible to kill.

    I hate to sound like Elon Musk, but this stuff is fascinating and terrifying at the same time.


    I'm now a firm supporter of the Fermi Paradox that technology will eventually kill us.


    Agree or disagree? Thoughts on the subject , pro and con,, are definitely welcome.
     
    • Winner Winner x 2
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  2. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2018
    Messages:
    22,434
    Ratings:
    +17,575
    Religion:
    Sufism
    Fully agree with you on this.
    AI is unsafe to be created by man.
     
    • Optimistic Optimistic x 1
  3. Twilight Hue

    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2009
    Messages:
    40,282
    Ratings:
    +17,561
    Religion:
    Philosophical Buddhism
    Thing is it's a reality already. And already being used in a limited capacity. I'm sure those limits will be expanded eventually.
     
  4. mikkel_the_dane

    mikkel_the_dane Shadow Wolf's Aspie sibling

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2018
    Messages:
    10,378
    Ratings:
    +2,631
    Religion:
    The Wrong One
    "God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. ... Father, give us courage to change what must be altered, serenity to accept what cannot be helped, and the insight to know the one from the other."
    Even as a non-believer I try not to worry about things, I have no control over.
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 2
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2018
    Messages:
    22,434
    Ratings:
    +17,575
    Religion:
    Sufism
    Unfortunately yes, AI seems to be put in everywhere from refrigerator to weapons
     
  6. Debater Slayer

    Debater Slayer Veteran Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2011
    Messages:
    21,783
    Ratings:
    +18,204
    I wouldn't say "unfortunately": when used right, AI has benefits that make it far too useful and helpful of a tool to simply avoid using altogether. However, I agree with the view that use of AI should be regulated by international laws just like nuclear weapons are. In the wrong hands or in the wrong circumstances, it could be catastrophic for humanity.

    I highly recommend this article to those wanting a glimpse into how some of the leading experts in the field view the dilemma of widely using AI and balancing its benefits and risks:

    Open Letter on Artificial Intelligence - Wikipedia
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
  7. Seeker of White Light

    Seeker of White Light Think before you speak....so stay silent.

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2018
    Messages:
    22,434
    Ratings:
    +17,575
    Religion:
    Sufism
    I may have mention it before in some discussion, but I do not trust AI technology or objects that are made to " be the new humans"
    If I buy a car ( probably next year) I will ask them to not install AI driver technology because I don't want it as an option in my car
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. Debater Slayer

    Debater Slayer Veteran Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2011
    Messages:
    21,783
    Ratings:
    +18,204
    "Being the new humans" is too broad and vague: AI already surpasses human ability and intelligence in some fields, but it's specialized enough in those fields and has no self-awareness or goals of its own that undermine human well-being (not yet, anyway), so it doesn't cause any harms to humans beyond rendering some jobs redundant. On the other hand, as I said in my previous post, any areas where AI could prove dangerous to humans need to be governed by international laws much like how development and use of certain weapons are.

    In fields like data science (which is what I'm currently planning to specialize in) and medical research, harnessing AI is an invaluable tool. Tasks that would take even the most skilled humans thousands of hours could take an AI a fraction of the time and be done without human errors like lapses in attention. I don't think we can or should throw the baby out with the bathwater and stop using AI altogether.

    That's your right, of course, but as far as existential risks of AI go in their severity, I think autonomous cars are toward the bottom of the list compared to things like AI-driven drones and other militarized applications of AI.
     
    #8 Debater Slayer, Nov 28, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2021
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Useful Useful x 1
  9. SomeRandom

    SomeRandom Still learning to be wise
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 20, 2014
    Messages:
    11,364
    Ratings:
    +9,576
    So….we’re going to get a Terminator style future?
    Is that what’s happening?
     
  10. Debater Slayer

    Debater Slayer Veteran Member
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 8, 2011
    Messages:
    21,783
    Ratings:
    +18,204
    The IPCC's warnings and projections lead me to believe that climate change could drastically upend our way of life much sooner than AI would. A key difference is also that we have already seen what climate change can do and has done to many parts of the world (e.g., increased incidence of wildfires and floods), whereas the most severe risks of AI are still theoretical and haven't yet occurred in reality.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  11. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2010
    Messages:
    201,717
    Ratings:
    +74,013
    Religion:
    Atheist
    More predictions of doom & gloom.
    Meh.....
    If humanity is destroyed, I won't have to shovel snow anymore.
     
  12. Audie

    Audie Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2018
    Messages:
    20,469
    Ratings:
    +10,531
    Religion:
    None
    Nothing rong with sounding like elon musk
     
  13. anna.

    anna. Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2019
    Messages:
    953
    Ratings:
    +1,012
    Agree.

    Ever seen the Black Mirror episode Metalhead? If not, go find it, it's on Netflix. Robotic dogs that kill. Forget those dancing Boston Dynamics dogs, they're trying to lull you into a sense of complacency.
     
  14. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity ✔ a-OK RF member .99/lb
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    34,301
    Ratings:
    +14,792
    Religion:
    liber-scripta grim Christian
    Disagree. I admit its going to kill some of us, but that is what always happens when the world changes. It always changes. You can't hide from death. We have yet to see the good AI, the potential of AI. Right now its all very stupid, so it is either a weapon or a tool. We haven't seen AI, not real AI. We haven't sent self replicating systems into space or anything cool like that.

    You and I are human. We are passion bound with a little sprinkling of intelligence. We are essentially crazy. AI is passion-less. It has potential to help with complex questions such as legal questions. It can heal, plan, design great systems. We need that.
     
    #14 Brickjectivity, Nov 28, 2021
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2021
  15. AlexanderG

    AlexanderG Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2021
    Messages:
    564
    Ratings:
    +1,155
    Religion:
    Atheist
    "Used for population control"? What? "Impossible to kill?" Huh?

    AI is a tool like any other tool. You understand a knife more than you understand AI, and my guess is that you're filling in your ignorance with scenes from sci-fi horror movies or conspiracy websites, and working yourself up over nothing. Just like I see with the unfounded fear over GMO foods. Science fiction is fiction.

    If you panic over eccentric masked serial killers murdering you every time you look at a knife, then that would be the equivalent of what you're doing with AI.
     
  16. Brickjectivity

    Brickjectivity ✔ a-OK RF member .99/lb
    Staff Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2012
    Messages:
    34,301
    Ratings:
    +14,792
    Religion:
    liber-scripta grim Christian
    I hope it doesn't become an issue for USA's two biggest political parties. They will eradicate any sensible conversation about it.
     
    • Winner Winner x 1
  17. sun rise

    sun rise "This is the Hour of God"
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2014
    Messages:
    65,923
    Ratings:
    +32,614
    Religion:
    Love
    There was quite a while ago a set of short stories about robot killers who had turned focus from the enemy to all people:

    For pure kill-all-humans evil, we're better off with the Claws from Dick's 1953 short story "Second Variety." In that tale, written during the Cold War, the Claws are autonomous self-replicating robots created by the U.S. to fight the Soviets in the wake of a nuclear war that scorched the planet and reduced it to a nightmarish wasteland. The problem is that the Claws, who are anthropomorphic, do their job too well. After they kill off the Soviets, they need a new reason to exist, and thus set their sights on eliminating the Americans -- and eventually each other [source: Dick].

    More here: 10 Evil Robots Bent on Destroying Humanity
     
  18. Heyo

    Heyo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2019
    Messages:
    8,701
    Ratings:
    +7,696
    Religion:
    none
    What's the difference to today? I see two things.
    1. The AI may be much better at identifying targets than human drone pilots. (They have a, what? 5% hit rate now?)
    2. It concentrates power in fewer humans. In theory, a single villain could attack multiple targets all over the world without the need of (unreliable) henchmen.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  19. The Hammer

    The Hammer Wyrd Walker
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2009
    Messages:
    7,988
    Ratings:
    +10,284
    Religion:
    Pagan, Druid
    Playtest ****ed me up more then Metalhead. Check that episode.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  20. anna.

    anna. Tried and waited then got tired, that's about it

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2019
    Messages:
    953
    Ratings:
    +1,012
    I haven't seen that one, I'll give it a go. With trepidation, of course...
     
    • Like Like x 1
Loading...