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Featured The Sabbath Day

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Psalm23, Feb 20, 2021.

  1. Psalm23

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    What do you do on a sabbath day?
     
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    Whatever I want, I have no Sabbath :)
     
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  3. Harel13

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    Pray, eat, sing, sleep, pray, eat, sing, sleep, pray, pray. There's usually some Torah study and reading tossed in there, too.
     
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    Drink, play video games, puzzles, read and other geeky things.
    Don’t think I have the Sabbath so much as a weekend though. In my religious path every day is technically a “Sabbath” I suppose
     
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    Sometimes they call me into work Sunday. Outside of that, I'm mostly studying and writing. I used to running in the mornings but the snow kept me in. It was nice today, so I went out. The only "days of rest," in context I have is my loved ones birthdays, deathdays, holidays, and such. But mornings and evenings is pretty much their time. Nothing church.
     
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    We sleep in (hopefully), read the Torah portion and do other study as desired, eat, fellowship (mostly just as a family, although occasionally home fellowship), and otherwise rest and enjoy the day. My brother and I play guitar, so we sing sometimes, and at this time of the year I tend to look out the window and hope for summer to hurry up and get here so I can go spend some time outside. :)
     
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  7. Dave Watchman

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    I just did it.

    I rested, and did not work.

    I stayed in my place.

    Now the fun is over.

    Six days I am commanded to work, six days you shall work.

    So hi ho hi ho,
    it's off to work I go.

    “If you keep your feet from breaking the Sabbath
    and from doing as you please on my holy day,
    if you call the Sabbath a delight
    and the Lord’s holy day honorable,
    and if you honor it by not going your own way
    and not doing as you please or speaking idle words,
    then you will find your joy in the Lord,
    and I will cause you to ride in triumph on the heights of the land
    and to feast on the inheritance of your father Jacob.”

    "The mouth of the Lord has spoken.​
     
  8. URAVIP2ME

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    Sabbath day system ended with the temporary Mosaic Law contract - Romans 10:4
     
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  9. Dave Watchman

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    Oh my!

    "Here is the patience of the saints,
    they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.​
     
  10. Deeje

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    There is no command for Sabbath keeping for Gentiles......the Law was only given to Jews who have the option to still maintain the Sabbath if they wish....but the Law is no longer binding on Non Jews.
     
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    Not for salvific purposes, but we still have to try our best to do them.

    So then, if we just do faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law?

    No way!

    Only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.

    Should we steal?

    Should we commit adultery?

    If God told a group of people in 1437BC that He didn't like them getting tattoos, eating unclean meat, or laying down with men as they do with women, do you think He's OK with it now?

    What will it get us?

    Will we defile the land?

    Will the land, the earth, vomit out it's inhabitants?

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  12. Shaul

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    I observe it and keep it.
     
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  13. Valjean

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    But at what point did the Jews become non-Jews? It was probably some centuries before anyone saw the Jesus followers as anything but yet another Jewish sect.
     
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    Torah that it applies forever. Forever. Not “until moshiach comes”. The Sabbath commandment says that the Sabbath must be observed by servants of a Jew. Christianity says Jesus is a Jew. So if you are a servant of a Jesus you are bound to observe the Sabbath.
     
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  15. Deeje

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    When they severed ties with Judaism....you know, when the Jews were trying to kill them. How many times did they stone Paul?

    Jesus followers came to be called "Christians" for a reason. No Jew will ever call themselves "Christian"....not even the Messianic Jews, which is why they go by that name....
     
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    Jesus answered that question actually.....
    Matthew 22:36-40....
    "And one of them, versed in the Law, tested him by asking: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’ 38 This is the greatest and first commandment. 39 The second, like it, is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments the whole Law hangs, and the Prophets.”

    The whole of the Law and the Prophets was based on just two commandments, so as long as we kept those two, we would break no other.

    When the issue of circumcision arose and the Jews wanted to impose circumcision on Gentile Christians what was the apostles' response?
    Acts 15:28-29...
    "For the holy spirit and we ourselves have favored adding no further burden to you except these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality. If you carefully keep yourselves from these things, you will prosper. Good health to you!”

    Do you see the Sabbath observance as part of the "necessary things" required for Gentile Christians?

    Colossians 2:13-15....
    "Furthermore, though you were dead in your trespasses and in the uncircumcised state of your flesh, God made you alive together with him. He kindly forgave us all our trespasses 14 and erased the handwritten document that consisted of decrees and was in opposition to us. He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake...

    16 Therefore, do not let anyone judge you about what you eat and drink or about the observance of a festival or of the new moon or of a sabbath. 17 Those things are a shadow of the things to come, but the reality belongs to the Christ."


    Absolutely not and Jesus demonstrated that the Law was important for the Jews because they were the only people born into a dedicated nation. By birth, they were under obligation to keep the Law. But Gentiles were under no such obligation.... Jesus reiterated which laws would carry over in Christianity and the "new covenant" so no one was left in any doubt.

    Jesus demonstrated how he felt about the money changers in the Temple and those extorting money for over priced sacrificial animals...he threw them out! He said one "could not slave for God and riches".

    What things were mentioned by Jesus and the apostles?......first of all Jesus said 'Love of God and neighbor' were paramount....and then "these necessary things: 29 to keep abstaining from things sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality."

    Idolatry was mentioned.....God's Law on blood featured strongly from the time of Noah, to the Law given to Israel and then it was carried over to the Christians. Three times in different eras it was reiterated. No one could misuse blood and remain guiltless.....and sexual immorality was also a big thing with God, which rules out any form of it.

    If anyone wants to observe a Sabbath, there is no law forbidding it, but please understand that it was not a requirement.
     
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    Sorry, I don't see it that way at all....Jesus came to fulfill the Law, and so it ended with the old covenant being done away with. We see ourselves as under the "new covenant"....the one foretold through Jeremiah (Jeremiah 31:31-34) It is not like the old covenant at all. We are free of the Law that binds even today's Jews to laws that they cannot keep. Since the sacrificial laws are still in force for you, why can Jews no longer offer their sacrifices? If the Temple is a necessary requirement for the offering of sacrifices, why has God never commanded that the third Temple be built?

    Even as wanderers in the wilderness, Israel had the Tabernacle because God saw to it that his people had the means to have their sins forgiven....what could possibly be the problem? :shrug:
     
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    Just out of curiosity, on what day of the week does your Sabbath occur?
     
  19. Shaul

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    Torah is very clear and explicit that the Sabbath commandments are forever. G-d does not lie. Jesus affirmed the Torah.

    The new covenant mentioned in Jeremiah could not be the one practiced by gentile Christians. It states clearly that that new covenant would be between G-d and Israel and Judah. It doesn’t include gentiles.

    You don’t understand the Torah commandments on sacrifice to ask why it isn’t done today. Torah says there would be times when the Temple sacrifices would not be done. It isn’t an issue.

    If you don’t keep the Sabbath as a servant of the Jew Jesus then he is guilty of a sin.
     
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    The preaching to the Gentiles started quite early in the Christian era and probably Gentiles outnumbered Jewish Christians fairly early. There was a controversy about some Jewish Christians wanting the Gentile ones to keep the law and get circumcised. It sort of ended with concessions being made for the sensibilities of the Jewish Christians so that the Gentile and Jewish Christians could mingle as brothers and sisters.
    I guess it could still be seen as a Jewish sect but the Jews wanted to kick the Christians out of Jerusalem and started persecuting them quite early. Paul was involved in that before the becoming a Christian.
     
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