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The right condemns China over its Uighur abuses. The left must do so too

Discussion in 'Political Debates' started by Jaiket, Jan 21, 2021.

  1. Jaiket

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    ...Despite the denials of the Chinese regime, the brutal campaign against the Uighurs in the Xinjiang region is real. According to Amnesty International, which has conducted hundreds of interviews with victims, about a million Muslims have been detained by the Chinese state. They suffer solitary confinement, beatings and the deprivation of food. China’s regime has built about 400 internment camps in Xinjiang: they describe these prisons as “re-education camps”, and leaked official documents call for China to “show absolutely no mercy” in the “struggle against terrorism, infiltration and separatism”....

    ...Those of us who urge action against the abuses of western allies should, for example, oppose British arms sales to China. Either solidarity is consistent or it is insincere: and the tyrannised Uighurs deserve better than to be reduced to pawns in games between great powers.

    Article here.

    My thoughts:

    Trump's ban on people from certain Muslim countries entering the USA had all of our lefty knickers in a twist. This is much more serious.

    I'd think anyone who supports the BDS movement against Israel because of what's going on in Palestine has to be horrified by this.

    Agree? Disagree? Anything else to add?

    Geez yer thoughts.

    Also, typically perfidious Albion: this week the government defeated an amendment cancelling post-Brexit trade deals with countries committing genocide – underlining, as ever, that economic interests trump human rights considerations.
     
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    This has been going on for ages. They still haven't addressed the issue?
     
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    Yes, we should ALL stand against what China is doing to the Uighurs. And to those in Hong Kong. And we should not forget Tianamen Square. Or how China has responded to journalists that wrote about the coronavirus.
     
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    Good OP, Jaiket!

    Agree. Those on the left who will now avoid criticizing the Chinese Government for what there is good evidence to believe is genocide might or might not be numerous, but they are certainly one thing: Foolish. Most likely a whole lot more than that, as well.

    Just a side note: I'm making an effort these days to get into the habit of holding accountable the individuals, groups, and organizations that are most responsible. So to me, it's not the 'Chinese', it's the 'Chinese Government'. It's not the 'Israelis', it's the 'Israeli Government'. And so forth. I think the distinction matters, and has the potential to matter a great deal, so I invite everyone who will to join me, to join me in making these sorts of distinctions.
     
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    Pompeo's nominated replacement Blinken has agreed with Pompeo's assessment of "genocide".
    It remains to be seen what the US can actually do about human rights abuses in China.
     
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    Who is "the left"?
     
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    This quote jives quite well with my understanding:

    According to emeritus professor of economics Barry Clark, left-wing supporters "claim that human development flourishes when individuals engage in cooperative, mutually respectful relations that can thrive only when excessive differences in status, power, and wealth are eliminated." Left-wing politics - Wikipedia

    So, socialists, social democrats, a good chunk of liberal democrats and a wad of people calling themselves libertarian in some guise or another. That would exclude liberals who have no interest in limiting corporate power etc. It's very broad brush, as almost no-one is entirely left or right or anything in particular.
     
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    These people have been protesting the treatment of the Uighur. It was even heavily criticised by Left-wing mainsteam media like in the Guardian or the info-entertainment show Last Week Tonight which dedicated one piece fully to the subject and mentionned it in a piece criticising president Xi Jinping. You are basically asking a political formation to do something they are already doing and have done for a while. Some liberal and left-wing political leaders have also criticised China for its actions in Hong Kong and the treatment of the Uighur.
     
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    I practically grew up listening to various leftists condemn such acts. Whenever it happened, wherever it happened.
    What else do you wish of them?
     
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    Fair point.

    I know.

    I read the article and thought it worth sharing/discussing/squabbling over like true lefties. :p
     
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    In the UK the left tried to get an amendment to trade laws to exclude countries that commit genocide. The right over ruled it and it failed to pass.
     
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    Fair enough
     
  13. sun rise

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    That answers the OP in terms of condemnation
     
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    From what I've read, those against our policy to China are the business interests in America who could care less about what China does as long as there is money to be made.

    And more then ever we need to stand up to their aggressive trade attacks on Australia and other nations.
     
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    Trump sure got vilified for trying.
     
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    Well, I suppose I could volunteer to be "the left." I think it's my turn this week.
     
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    Not for identify China as a problem but for a ham-handed, go-it-alone approach to the problem China is for the rest of the world.

    One bill in 2020 got an almost unanimous vote Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act - Wikipedia

    and certainly not in relationship with Hong Kong, theft of intellectual property and other issues.

    There's a legitimate debate about the best way to counter China's economic and political aggression.
     
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