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The rewards of incest

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Pah, Jun 19, 2004.

  1. Pah

    Pah Uber all member

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    I don't think Christians would agree that the authority of the Bible is based on chronological order..
     
  2. Linus

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    Maybe with the New Testament, yes. But the Old Testament is different. It is a historical account. It is told in the order in which it all occurred so it can establish the history of the Jewish people. The Jews did not recieve their Law until after the exodus from Egypt. Lot, Noah, and Abraham all lived before that event even took place.
     
  3. Pah

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    Actually, portions of Genesis were writen about the same time as LevitIcus. Scholarship sees Geniesis as written by four individuals and one of them is desiginated "P" for priestly who may have been the author of all the laws.

    I recommend the bestselling book (it was years ago) The History of God by Karen Armstring.
     
  4. Linus

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    I'll agree that in some cases Genesis tells different storys out of order to maybe clarify, explain, or go into detail, such as the account of the creation of mankind.

    In Genesis 1 God creates everything. Chapter 2 goes BACK to give the details of that creation, then goes FOREWARD to tell what happened next.

    But the geneologies from Adam to Noah and from Noah to Abraham are given so that a chronological order is established. That way we know that this story took place here because this person is so many generations away from Adam.

    The books may have been written at the same time, but the events that occurred in Genesis happened much earlier.
     
  5. Pah

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    Are you saying that morality as encompassed in God's law is relative to the times?
     
  6. Linus

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    No. I am only saying that morality in God's law is only what He wants it to be. If He wants to change a law, then He will. I was only guessing at the reason for incest in the Bible. Don't take my theories as widely accepted ones among the Christians. A possibility is that it was a necessity at the time of Genesis, then when it wasn't needed to further the human race God made it against the law because it is better to mix up the gene pool. That's all.
     
  7. kc8tbe

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    Abraham is supposedly rewarded for believing in God. Belief in God is a commandment given in Leviticus. Abraham followed all the biblical laws, even through they weren't introduced until Leviticus. Even Lot tried to follow a few biblical laws, including hospitality, despite the fact that the law wasn't given until Leviticus. The list goes on. So while your argument could hold technically, it would invalidate a lot of mainstream religious thinking.

    Also, one of the seven laws of Noah, which apply to both Hebrews and non-Hebrews, forbids sexual immorality. These laws were given when Noah disembarked from his ark - prior to Lot's time. While not everyone would translate "sexual immorality" into "no incest", most would.
     
  8. Linus

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    you're right, Kc8tbe. But my intent was only to prove that it wasn't a contradiction. It wasn't technically THE Jewish law, so it isn't a contradiction.

    But I'm not saying that God was pleased with the sexual immorality of these people. The case of Lot's daughters was probably very displeasing to The Lord. But I think that he allowed Noah's family to do it in order to populate the earth.

    I hope this makes things a little more clear.
     
  9. Sam Bloom

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    So old Lot didn't have sex with the daughters willingly? Evidently didnt have any trouble getting an erection did he. Give me a break.
     
  10. Linus

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    Please read Genesis 19:30-36.

    Lots daughters got him drunk. In verses 33 and 35 it says that he didn't even know what was going on.
     
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    Absolutely. What is wrong at one point in time may be required at another. It is God's prerogative to make laws and change them, and it is not our right to judge Him for it.
     
  12. Pah

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    God''s morality certainly is relative given all the genocide and infanticide. Making God a relative being certainly destroys any absoute in the Bible. That means, you can not trust the Bible to be related to today.
     
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    Which is why prophets are indispensable today, as they were in the past. The world changes, and God never said His rules would not. People just assume that they won't. I'd like to remind you that the relativity of His rules is in no way dictated by earthly influences, but by His own will. You measure the Bible with your own human understanding, but His providence and wisdom are far greater than yours. Do not mistake the misplaced religious zeal of apostates for authorized Godly indignation. Few there be who act in the name of God these days.

    Please try to understand that God understands things much better than you do. You are the thirteen year old yelling, "I hate you!" as you run from your father crying; unable to understand how he could be so cold in denying you your rights and pleasures, when all he is doing is protecting and loving you.
     
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    Just curious, what exactly do you mean by this?

    God changes His law when He wants to. When He does it He lets us know. That is what happen when Jesus came and was crucified. God's law was changed.
     
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    Those evil women. Another good man bites the dust. It must have been terrible for old Lot.
     
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    Gosh, I'm going to have to start checking my spelling better sheesh.

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