The Red Terror!

[lamplighter]

Santa Clause is a scum sucking socialist commy! Anyway, doesn't Santa Clause and Jesus promote the communist agenda? After all Santa goes around giving out toys with no monetary gain or trade of sorts, I mean milk and cookies hardly make up for the goods given by Kris Kringle and made by the slave labour force of elves Captain Capitalism: Nightmare of a Red Christmas. Moving on to Jesus he said regarding the wealthy

16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why do you ask me about what is good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

And

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory; 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats; 33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; 35 For I was hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in; 36 Naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels; 42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink; 43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in; naked, and ye clothed me not; sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee hungered, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment; but the righteous into life eternal

Which seems to imply that the governments of earth are being judged as well for their socio-economic structures. Not to mention Jesus splitting up the bread fish to feed everyone certainly wasn't capitalist venture. So does this mean that Christianity is fundamentally socialist?

 

[Random]

Which seems to imply that the governments of earth are being judged as well for their socio-economic structures. Not to mention Jesus splitting up the bread fish to feed everyone certainly wasn't capitalist venture. So does this mean that Christianity is fundamentally socialist?

The term "wealth" implies materialism is good, by association. Wealth is derived from the word weal, which means "good" or "benificent" as opposed to woe, which is poor or deficient. Since the Capitalist system, which is fundamentally destructive and unsustainable, promotes the idea that wealthiness comes only from having more "things" like money and property, we are stuck with an appallingly Anti-Christian socio-economic evil, prevalent in all countries of the World, even the so-called Communist ones, which are really State Capitalist systems.

Yet if you read the Catholic encyclopedia, it will defend capitalism by virtue of the fact that God, apparently, affirms the dignity of Man's labour and thus, whatever he endevours to do in terms of his industries must be supported and promoted. Jesus, I'm sure, would know a better way.

Christmas is a consumerist orgy, nothing more. Buy buy buy, sell sell sell. The whores of materialism are justified by Church, state and even the English language we use.

But, thankfully, it will not last forever. The winds of change are blowing. Lucky the rich don't know it yet...

The spiritual life Jesus promoted was just, intelligent, balanced and full of beauty, based on higher knowlege and harmony with creation.

Sadly, somewhere along the way, some Fool decided this was all too much, and swapped it for a sort of transient happiness that only emphasises the misery of the rest of the year.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Well, if you ask me, Santa is santa, it doesent make kids desicions about political followings... Santa is santa, the fat guy in a big red suit. He gets your presents and he makes toys all year round. No-one cares if he is a communist.

 

[Random]

Well, if you ask me, Santa is santa, it doesent make kids desicions about political followings... Santa is santa, the fat guy in a big red suit. He gets your presents and he makes toys all year round. No-one cares if he is a communist.

Lol! Santa ain't no Commie, he's a stroke of Kids marketing genius!

 

[Don Penguinoini]

Lol! Santa ain't no Commie, he's a stroke of Kids marketing genius!

Well... I know around here santa is a someone who is loved, but he doesent make you buy anything. Kids today want things all the time, santa is the "delivery guy"

 

[Draka]

I'm having a hard time trying to figure if the OP is a joke or actually has some seriousness behind it.

 

[fantome profane]

I'm having a hard time trying to figure if the OP is a joke or actually has some seriousness behind it.

All the best jokes have some seriousness behind them.

 

[Zephyr]

Uncle Crimbo is harmless. It's Rudolph the Red we should be watching for. (Hi KoL players! Merry Crimbo!)

 

[Sunstone]

Santa is so hopelessly communist he doesn't own even one trademark -- not even on his own name. What kind of capitalist would allow that?

 

[Aasimar]

Santa is so hopelessly communist he doesn't own even one trademark -- not even on his own name. What kind of capitalist would allow that?

The man behind the capitalists who make all the money for him >.> <.<

CONSPIRACY!

j/k

Who is John Galt?

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

Well, if you ask me, Santa is santa, it doesent make kids desicions about political followings... Santa is santa, the fat guy in a big red suit. He gets your presents and he makes toys all year round. No-one cares if he is a communist.

:yes:

Exactly.

 

[lamplighter]

It's not about trying to make a kid decide on what economic structure they prefer, but making the concept acceptable to people in general, I would never portray something I didn't agree with in a positive light. Kids getting reward for behaving well and doing whats asked of them from some authoritative figure, and most of the things associated with Christmas have deep pagan roots too, Christmas trees, stockings by the chimney, allot of the aspects of Santa himself. But anyway I think the socialism is an aspect of Christianity that people prefer not to remember and "Christian Communists" have existed for a rather long time already.

 

[Draka]

What's your beef with communism? The concept of it isn't so terrible or evil or anything. Putting it into practice and having it successfully work all depends on the size of the community doing it and what resources they have readily available to them, so the practice can be difficult. But it's not as if communism itself is a great evil or wrong of society.

 

[Aasimar]

What's your beef with communism? The concept of it isn't so terrible or evil or anything. Putting it into practice and having it successfully work all depends on the size of the community doing it and what resources they have readily available to them, so the practice can be difficult. But it's not as if communism itself is a great evil or wrong of society.

Sacrificing the individual for the good of the group is terrible. But that's kinda off topic, we could always make a communism thread

 

[Draka]

Sacrificing the individual for the good of the group is terrible. But that's kinda off topic, we could always make a communism thread

Could make a communism thread, but it's really not off-topic here since this thread is talking about communism. I don't really see that there is a sacrificing of an individual. Every individual and what they can contribute becomes important. Everyone works for everyone to receive.

Capitalism has many issues of sacrificing the individual for the group when you look at how business is run. If a business is having a loss of profits, if they are in a slump and need to cut costs, often they just lay-off or let go of workers entirely. It is nothing but a business decision to shut down a factory and downsize. There is really no concern for the people who have now lost their jobs and perhaps their only income and now have to struggle just to make sure they have food on the table. There are those who have lost there jobs and consequently have lost their homes and everything they had because they simply could not afford to make the payments anymore.

In dealing with Capitalism there are MANY people who fall through the cracks and are "sacrificed" for the "good of the group". How is Communism so much worse than Capitalism in that regard?

 

[Aasimar]

Could make a communism thread, but it's really not off-topic here since this thread is talking about communism. I don't really see that there is a sacrificing of an individual. Every individual and what they can contribute becomes important. Everyone works for everyone to receive.

Capitalism has many issues of sacrificing the individual for the group when you look at how business is run. If a business is having a loss of profits, if they are in a slump and need to cut costs, often they just lay-off or let go of workers entirely. It is nothing but a business decision to shut down a factory and downsize. There is really no concern for the people who have now lost their jobs and perhaps their only income and now have to struggle just to make sure they have food on the table. There are those who have lost there jobs and consequently have lost their homes and everything they had because they simply could not afford to make the payments anymore.

In dealing with Capitalism there are MANY people who fall through the cracks and are "sacrificed" for the "good of the group". How is Communism so much worse than Capitalism in that regard?

Communism rewards mediocrity. It enslaves the able to the will of those who are not, It takes the blood and sweat of a man and involuntarily gives it to someone else. What is the motivation for a man to excel when he the only purpose of excellence is to compensate for those who are sub-par? I agree, people get laid off and can't afford to feed their families, but it is their responsibility to rise up and deal with it, not mine. If I fall on hard times, it is not Reverend Rick's responsibility to compensate me for my inadequacy, it is mine. If he chooses to help, that's fine, but he should never be compelled to do so. Communism rewards mediocrity, group-think, and failure. Capitalism rewards tenacity, hard work, and productivity. Of course capitalism has flaws, but it's a damn sight better then communism.

Basically Communism is great if you're decrepit, crippled, disabled, inept, or lazy. But it's a tragedy if you are confident, motivated, strong, purposeful, and productive. That is why the concept of money was created, to create a medium by which men could trade the fruits of their labor, not so that men who create nothing can leech off of those who do produce.

And I'm poor as dirt by the way, which is nobodies fault but my own.

 

[blackout]

In dealing with Capitalism there are MANY people who fall through the cracks and are "sacrificed" for the "good of the group". How is Communism so much worse than Capitalism in that regard?

In dealing with Christmas there are MANY people who fall through the cracks and are "sacrificed" for the "good of the group".

The ones with more always get more.
Guess the Almighty "Santa" loves them more.
The Kids with less...
always get less.

As well it's rather ironic how the "sweat/work shop" elves
have to PAY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS
to provide factory made goods for their own kids...
and yet they can't afford to...
and yet the world says they "have to"
because it's so important for their kids to have the phoney "Santa experience".

Funny how the rich wanna have their fun
at the "expense" of the poor.

Santa doesn't come to our house.
Acutally... Santa doesn't go to ANYONE'S house...
I simply state the obvious to anyone who might assume otherwise.

My children KNOW where their presents come from...
and they know the love,
blood, sweat and tears...
with which they were purchased/credited.

 

[blackout]

I don't like the PRACTICAL idea of communism
because FORCED "giving/sharing"
is THEFT.
(sounds just a bit like christmas actually,
except christmas theft is a collosal coersion,
more than an "enforcement")

I don't support the idea of taxes either.
Is that any big suprise?

I'd rather decide for myself
how to better the world in the sharing of what I have...
then have some govt. machine or organization
do it for me.

 

[Aasimar]

I'd rather decide for myself
how to better the world in the sharing of what I have...
then have some govt. machine or organization
do it for me.

That's pretty much what capitalism is, non-interference by the government in your wealth/goods/etc. What America actually runs is a mixed economy, which is a combination of capitalist and socialist systems, mainly capitalist.

 

[blackout]

That's pretty much what capitalism is, non-interference by the government in your wealth/goods/etc. What America actually runs is a mixed economy, which is a combination of capitalist and socialist systems, mainly capitalist.

Stop "taxing" me...
taking my hard earned "wage"...
and "taxing" me with over regulations...

and that'd suit me just fine.

The "collosal coersions" I can handle on my own. :rainbow1: