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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Feb 23, 2019.

  1. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    If that company’s management protects and de-facto creates the conditions for raping more and more children, what would you do with it?

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  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Go after the people who did it and not punish all who work for the company, imo.
     
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  3. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    If they did, i doubt they can stay Catholics. I could not imagine being associated to a criminal organization of that kind, destroying evidence and being busy in protecting perps and de facto enabling the rape of more and more children.

    And I have a theory why the current pope was so soft about it.

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  4. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Why are you in essence blaming the entire Church for this? Isn't it morally more acceptable to blame those who actually did it? And maybe you can name a large organization that doesn't have problems with its own personnel at times?
     
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  5. viole

    viole Metaphysical Naturalist
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    Becuse you entire church is doing nothing about it. Nothing. They invoke Satan, which is ludicrous.

    Personnel at times? Yes those companis fire them, do not move them somewhere else where they can still go ahread with their crimes.

    And these crimes are not stealing money. It is crime involving raping kids and destroying lives.

    That is indefensible, sorry.

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  6. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    That is simply is not at all true as the Church has very much been working on this, including at the Vatican conference late this last week.

    Every single weekend my church deals with this at the pulpit and in our church paper, asking people to come forth to the local police if they or someone they know has been or is being sexually assaulted. The number of incidents nationally have sharply dropped off as several secular studies have shown.

    When you fabricate such untruths and then charge others with acting immorally, you undermine yourself.
     
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  7. sooda

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    Would you also leave the Jewish faith or Church of Christ or the Southern Baptists etc.....???
     
  8. viole

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    And? That was when the current pope invoked Satan.

    So, cool. What else could they do. Too late, I am afraid. I would have preferred if that came from the inside, first

    What I fabricate was on all news in Europe yesterday. With the possible exception of Radio Maria.

    But if you like to still be associated to that organization, be my guest. I myself just hope that this will increase the probability to see the last stone from the last church falling on the head of the last priest.

    And see such institutions being tossed to where they belong. The trash bean of history.

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    Strong’s Number 01966 for “Lucifer” or “O star of the morning” “Original Word “llyh” Transliterated Word “Heylel” is properly translated Definition:

    Lucifer = “light-bearer”1. shining one, morning star, Lucifer of the king of Babylon and Satan (fig.) 2. ‘Helel’ describing the king of Babylon.” Reference: Strong’s Number 07837 for “son of the morning”

    (Babylon was perceived as helpful because Cyrus restored the exiled to Judah)
     
  10. Landon Caeli

    Landon Caeli What's your stoyle?

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    This theme is common within the secular world; where one mistake erases every good thing one has ever done.

    ...It's ungodly, unholy, and unfair in every way. I reject it to the fullest!
     
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  11. metis

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    And he blamed the pedophile priests and the bishops who just moved them around. How could you have missed that-- unless it just didn't fit into your "agenda".

    Which shows you lied when you posted this: "Becuse you entire church is doing nothing about it" in your post #125.

    So, you're into mass punishment. So, if you have four children and two misbehave, you'll punish all four. Got it.

    Your dishonesty and willingness to punish innocent people is what really belongs in the "trash". What you have proposed is no more "ethical" than what the pedophile priests did as mass punishment that includes innocent people is never ethical.
     
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  12. Revoltingest

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    If I were you, I wouldn't call her dishonest.
    The Pope has been regularly in the news calling the Church's critics tools of Satan.
    He appears to blame everyone but himself & his minions who were primary enablers
    of predatory priests. The organization is truly rotten to the core, with the rank & file
    having been far too silent about calling the malefactors on the carpet for their crimes.
     
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  13. viole

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    Yes, I would. Since that organization is not proposing nothing to correct the situation, as everybody noticed here, i think we would be much better off without it.

    And yes, even during chemotherapy some innocent cells will die, but that is vastly better than the cancer has been gripping Europe until very recently, when we started looking what they were doing with our children.

    I mean, how can you defend that organization of protectors of kids rapists? That is really mind boggling.

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  14. viole

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    Hitler also gave work to many Germans and built nice highways. That didi not prevent him from being the leader of a chriminal organization.

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  15. Landon Caeli

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    In the case of Hitler, his wrongs far out numbered his rights. That's not typically the case with most people, and definitely not with the CC as a whole.

    ...I could begin to list the charities and hospitals and every other way help is offered but why bother when the list is so extensive. This should be obvious.
     
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    Depending upon one's politics, that's a questionable claim.
    Over & above sexual assault of children.....
    - Fighting abortion rights.
    - Consuming services financed by property taxes, but without paying them.
    - Fighting gay marriage.
     
  17. metis

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    Again, another clearly obvious lie on your part, plus you have again contradicted even what you posted earlier.

    I've mentioned both what the Pope has been doing at the conference, plus there was much that he and the bishops said and have put into place before the conference to address this problem, and then I also told you what was being done at our local and archdiocese level.

    It's both delusional and pathetic that you somehow think you're operating on some sort of moral high-ground when you are so willing to punish the innocent. Now, whether what the Church is doing will be enough, only time will tell-- but it is doing things contrary to your repeated lies

    Because I don't believe in mass punishment that includes innocent people as you have advocated. What you are proposing is all too similar to what the NAZI's and Stalinist's did, namely to punish a whole group to send a "message" to others. A moral person does not propose such actions that intentionally punishes those that are innocent.

    Anyhow, post back what you want but what you have been proposing is simply as immoral as what the pedophile priests and the bishops who just moved them around did. But at least the Church has been willing to admit there's a problem and have taken steps to try and deal with them. You, otoh, just double and triple down on your willingness to punish the innocent, which I believe most people would consider a moral low-ground. One cannot try to help eliminate immorality if they propose that which is immoral themselves.

    'nuff
     
  18. viole

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    They admitted there is a problem because they have been caught with the pants down, pun intended, by people outside of the outfit, after several centuries of impunity and omerta.

    What other choice do they have, but to look concerned? What is mind boggling is that nothing comes out in terms of effective measures to reduce that. And that is what disappointed The abuses victims yesterday. And not only them.

    I personally did not expect more than nothing.

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    One mistake? No, one mistake is some rando Cardinal is caught smoking dope or a nun is caught secretly getting drunk off communion wine or something.
    We’re talking literal decades of child sexual abuse, literal decades of actively covering up said abuse, flouting several laws for decades in multiple countries even and apparently even sexually abusing nuns as well. That’s not “one mistake.”
    It’d be one thing if this was a random scandal during the 80s or something and they cleaned house since.
    But this has been ongoing for literally generations. It’s going to take the Church a long *** time to get anywhere near forgiveness from the secular public, by their own doing.
    Also the Church has in the past gone out it’s way to denounce sin and publicly admonish secular society. It’s a bit too late to complain about taking its lumps. Hypocritical too, if you think about it. Pretty sure Jesus had something to say about hypocrisy.
    They haven’t even given an indication of some kind of “battle plan” to actually deal with the issue. Just a bunch of cheap talk.

    Again, I’m not blaming everyday Catholics. I’m just saying the Church is going to need to save like a billion sick puppies and orphans to gain even a small amount of good PR back. That’s not secular society’s fault though.
     
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    I see that Australian Cardinal Pell has been convicted of sexual assaulting young choir boys. I hope they send that pervert down for a very long time. It is disgusting that the RCC is holding out on excommunicating that excuse for human being!:mad:

    All decent Catholics should stick two fingers up at a church, which has covered up sexual abuse by its clergy for so long.
     
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