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It's not a Mormon or orthodox Christian doctrine ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!!jonny said:I have no idea what the rapture is. Could someone tell me if I believe in it? I must have missed that day in Seminary.
Can I get that video cannonized? I love it.angellous_evangellous said:It's not a Mormon or orthodox Christian doctrine ROFL ROFL ROFL ROFL!!!!
A very VERY small group of Protestants made it up.
www.timlahaye.com - starts with an educational video LOL
www.leftbehind.com
www.raptureready.com
Have fun LOL
Now that's funny. Glad we could help LOL.jonny said:Can I get that video cannonized? I love it.
I don't think I believe in the rapture, but I've finally figured out what those Left Behind movies are all about. Kirk Cameron has come a long way since the days of Growing Pains!
You think that's strange, look at this http://web-1.airborne-e.com/www.pktbo.com/website/leftbehind/.jonny said:Can I get that video cannonized? I love it.
I don't think I believe in the rapture, but I've finally figured out what those Left Behind movies are all about. Kirk Cameron has come a long way since the days of Growing Pains!
The word that is actually there is parousia, the appearance of Christ. The doctrine of the rapture in dispensationalism (eg, Left Behind) completely seperates the appearance of Jesus Christ from the resurrection of the dead. In other words, your explanation should be flip-flopped to properly explain "being caught up" from this text as a suitable explanation for the rapture.Dentonz said:Okay people, the word 'rapture' is not in the Bible; but the explanation is.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 " For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Rapture is defined in the dictionary as: the state of being transported by a lofty emotion; ecstacy, abduction, carrying off, or to be transported from one place to another.
It just wouldn't sound good to talk about the 'caught up', so we use a more suitable word.
No the rapture doctrine teaches that he will not set foot on the earth at this time. But he will appear to the ones that are raptured. He will set foot on the earth in the second coming when he sets up his kingdom, that's the distiction. This verse is where the rapture doctrine comes from. Or one of the main verses it comes from.angellous_evangellous said:The word that is actually there is parousia, the appearance of Christ. The doctrine of the rapture in dispensationalism (eg, Left Behind) completely seperates the appearance of Jesus Christ from the resurrection of the dead. In other words, your explanation should be flip-flopped to properly explain "being caught up" from this text as a suitable explanation for the rapture.
You quoted
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 " (1) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: (2) and the dead in Christ shall rise first: (3) Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
But the rapture doctrine teaches that Jesus does not appear personally at this time, everyone is just "caught up." The application of the verse is completely out of order as the rapture folks just skip to the end of the verse.
Therefore, the explanation for the use of the word "rapture" is present in Scripture, but only if we manipulate the verse to make it say what we want.
I'm another Pentecostal who believes the same.Dentonz said:Okay people, the word 'rapture' is not in the Bible; but the explanation is.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 " For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
Rapture is defined in the dictionary as: the state of being transported by a lofty emotion; ecstacy, abduction, carrying off, or to be transported from one place to another.
It just wouldn't sound good to talk about the 'caught up', so we use a more suitable word.
For eighteen hundred years the saints did not believe in the rapture, pre-tribulation, post-tribulation, or mid-tribulation. The teaching is new. In the light of church history, its new. Again, perhaps thats a shock to some of us.
I find it very interestingboth the rapture theory and the restoration of the gospel came forth in the same year: 1830! When the Lord moves in the earth, the Devil usually attempts his imitation of the real.
For instance, which does the Bible teach: removal or restoration?
Joseph Smith, Jr. was called to restore primitive Christianity to the Church in 1830 and Margaret MacDonald, a fourteen year-old Scottish girl, went into a trance that same year. She described a vision where she saw the saints leaving the earth at the return of the Lord. Her "revelation" occurred while living in Port Glasgow, Scotland. The vision was recorded in two books written by R.N. Norton, M.D., and printed in London, England in 1861. Two Brethren ministers, Edward Irving and John Darby, popularized her vision. The Plymouth Brethren accepted the vision as valid and the rapture doctrine "took off" during prophetic meetings at Powerscourt House in Ireland.
Irvings views influenced C.I. Scofield, whose Bible notes popularized the new theory among fundamentalist/evangelical Christians in the West. The rest is history. However, as I said, many fundamentalist/evangelical Christians today have second thoughts about the doctrine, having re-evaluated their position. They no longer believe Christians will be "raptured out" of the tribulation.
There they aretwo Protestant myths that must be dealt with before one is likely to take the Book of Mormon seriously: the doctrines of canonization and the rapture.
As quoted earlier the doctrine of the rapture is biblical. Just because the first church didn't call it the 'rapture' does not mean they did'nt believe it. The verses that Scott1 mentioned along with the verses that I quoted pretty much some up the whole doctrine.jonny said:I was reading this article looking for some info on the Rapture. It makes this statement:
Ignore the stuff abut Joseph Smith. Is the story about Margaret MacDonald true? Is this the source of the doctrine of the rapture?