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The Prodigal Son and Satan

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by nutshell, Dec 10, 2007.

  1. nutshell

    nutshell Well-Known Member

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    Why doesn't the classic parable apply to Satan???
     
  2. Papersock

    Papersock Lucid Dreamer

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    Because Satan didn't/doesn’t come back to god and ask for forgiveness?
     
  3. Kungfuzed

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    Because salvation only applies to those who have a physical body. :shrug:
     
  4. Random

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    It should. That's how I view the whole concept of Satan.
     
  5. nutshell

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    But what if he did?
     
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    madhatter85 Transhumanist

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    He can't. he commited the unpardonable sin, he rebelled with a full knowlege of the glory of God in its fullness.
     
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  7. Papersock

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    My first thought (assuming satan and god exist) is if Satan really did repent then god would forgive him.
    But then if you believe in an eternal hell, you probably wouldn't think Satan has a chance of forgiveness, since apparently none of us do after death. That kinda sucks, doesn't it?
     
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    Belief in hell and satan is belief that god is a monster, letting "souls" suffer eternal damnation.
     
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    satan is only real if you want him to be, and i want him to be
     
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    Matthew 22:29
     
  11. Random

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    HA! Why?
     
  12. Papersock

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    Why do you want him to be real?
     
  13. nutshell

    nutshell Well-Known Member

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    And how did he get that full knowledge without ever experience this life, something it is required for us to get that knowledge? Why could he progress to that point without this experience?

    It's a complete contradiction.
     
  14. nutshell

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    Actually, that part of doom and gloom isn't a part of LDS teachings (of which I believe).
     
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    You need to assume that Satan is like us to make that statement.
     
  16. Papersock

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    Then I don't know why it wouldn't apply to Satan.
     
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    Is the same true for God?
     
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    madhatter85 Transhumanist

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    If you think about it, in our faith, children who come into this world and die as infants or small children never HAD to come down and humble themselves, my guess is that it has to do with eternal progression, we progressed in our knowledge in the pre-existence regarding many things. Christ obtained Godhood because of his slefless sacrifice for all mankind. he was perfect, he did not have to descend below all things as in our case. little children are whole in the eyes of the Lord. maybe we had to learn from our own mistakes while others were able to learn from the mistakes of others. the point is we do not know and this is all specualtion, but in my mind it makes perfect sense that Satan willfully rebelled against a fullness of the gospel truth. making it impossible for him to repent.
     
  19. Captain Civic

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    Yes, it's not a topic that's addressed directly in the Bible. My understanding of it (don't take it as gospel) is that Lucifer was born into the full and unmitigated presence of God. In fact, before his fall, a lot of people place Lucifer near the rank of the Arch Angel Michael. But despite that, he decided that he was bigger than God, thus the war, thus the defeat, thus the casting down. The angels are spiritual beings, existing with God in all His glory. We haven't experienced God in that same way; I assume that's why. Plus the Bible teaches that we are His most beloved creation, whereas angels are His agents (angel directly translates to "messenger of God.") That's my interpretation of it anyway.
     
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    My post was directed to madhatter and we have the common foundation of LDS beliefs (Satan was a spirit created by God like us who existed in the pre-existance before the world was form).
     
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