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Featured The Power Of Circular Reasoning

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. RedhorseWoman

    RedhorseWoman Active Member

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    What is really sad is putting your life on hold while waiting for that "something better" and devoting the life you've been given to serving as a slave to a religious publishing company. There are so many comments from JWs fantasizing about what they will do "in the New System" while they spend their time and resources enriching a group of charlatans who care nothing about them at all.

    It is sad to "wait" and never live because of what men have told you God wants. They certainly are living their lives to the fullest while YOU wait.



    Floods have occurred almost everywhere, but not all cultures have a flood story. Japan, for instance, has no myths about a global flood. I guess God preferred them over everyone else, right?



    There is no way that you could ever prove that every person on the face of the earth other than Noah and his family were guilty of anything whatsoever, and the animals were entirely innocent, yet they, too, according to this myth, were sentenced to death.

    Since Flood believers have to believe that God micro-managed pretty much every detail in order to pull off this "Flood," it would have made much more sense for God to have simply executed the "evil" people rather than destroying everything (animals, plants, etc.) on the entire face of the earth.

    I learned just recently about the death of a serial child molester from my home congregation. His victims were abused by him and ignored by the "shepherds" in the congregation who were supposedly put there by means of God's Holy Spirit. The child molester remained a JW (in good standing, no less) but his victims left the JW organization due not only to the abuse they endured but also because their pleas to the elders were ignored.

    In the Guest Book portion of his obituary, a JW wrote about how she was looking forward to seeing him again in the New System after he was resurrected. I thought about how JWs would also consider his victims to be those who deserve to die at God's hand simply because they left the JW organization...but their abuser deserves eternal life in Paradise.
     
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  2. Oeste

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    Of course ”the idea of the circle” has been around a long time!

    No one here is attributing “the idea of the circle” to you, and that includes me. And yes, you are absolutely correct when you say “the idea of the circle” has “been around for a long time.”

    Doesn't matter how long it's been around. What matters is that you posted and now attempt to defend it.

    The supposed "common claims" are made up. They are not sourced to any "common individual(s)" that I'm aware of and it certainly didn't post under your Avatar by itself.


    Of course it was. It exactly mirrored your fib for the purpose of illustration. :rolleyes:

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander @Skim, but as stated earlier you appear to miss the forest for the trees.
     
  3. PureX

    PureX Veteran Member

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    Yet you believe that if there were a God, there would also be sufficient evidence of it's existence available to you, and recognizable by you, to convince you.

    I don't think you're being as logical and reasonable as you think you're being.
     
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    Firemorphic Activist Membrane

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  5. Catholicus

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    It isn't Christians who are telling the rest of the world how to behave, It is God. Christians are just passing the message along.

    Those who obey God's instructions will reach Heaven; those who disobey them, will reach Hell.

    So people need to be told.
     
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    I disagree. People should for the most part let me go to heaven or hell in peace.
     
  7. Catholicus

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    You have no evidence with which to oppose it, but are starting from the premise that the Bible is untrue.
     
  8. Catholicus

    Catholicus Active Member

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    If it's peace you want, then you must get to Heaven, since "there is no peace for the wicked."

    Jesus promised His peace - which is marvellous beyond understanding - to all those who follow Him.
     
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    It's proof that spirituality exists - and as spirituality is above the natural (i.e. is supernatural)....

    We aren't machines.
     
  10. Catholicus

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    Not at all. You have no alternative explanation for why anything exists.
     
  11. Catholicus

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    The positive evidence is that the universe exists.
     
  12. PureX

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    If God can't even be bothered to deliver it's own message, then why should we care?
     
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    I agree, there is no evidence either way.

    So, on what criteria, then, do you propose that people believe as you do?
     
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    And it takes courage to truthfully research from a variety of resources to try to answer the questions and answers that pop up in their minds.

    It takes loving the truth, and choosing to believe what is true, over believing what is taught or wanting to believe what is true.
     
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    The moment a person believes "My way is the highway", obviously he can't see objectively anymore
     
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  16. Left Coast

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    No no. It's quite possible that there is a God and we simply don't have sufficient evidence for his existence. I'm not a strong/gnostic atheist.

    The thing is though, even if it ultimately turns out there is a God, we're still not rationally justified in believing in him until we see sufficient evidence.

    Additionally, any God who would expect us to believe in him without sufficient evidence, and would eternally punish us for not believing in him when he didn't provide sufficient evidence, is deeply immoral.
     
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    I agree.
     
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    Me too. It's why I'm not very strongly theist.
     
  19. Skwim

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    Your hubris is amusing.

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  20. PureX

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    The rationale is that doing so improves our experience of being. It doesn't matter whether or not what we believe is true, or not, because there is no way for us to determine that regarding the nature and existence of 'God'. What matters, then, is how the belief functions for us in our lives. Once knowledge (truth) has been denied us, we are left with value as the most reasonable criteria for choosing what to believe and what not to. And in fact, what we humans call "truth" is almost always just whatever happens to 'work for us' in our current experience of existence. We don't really know the "truth" of anything, as that would ultimately require omniscience.

    Atheism is the more illogical choice since it rejects the positive value possibilities that theism offers us, based on nothing. Whereas at least theism does offer us the positive possibilities that come with acting through faith.
    I can't think of any logical reason that "God" as we generally define it (the source, sustenance, and purpose of all that exists) would care what we believe regarding it.
     
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