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Featured The Power Of Circular Reasoning

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Skwim, Jun 21, 2019.

  1. JJ50

    JJ50 Well-Known Member

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    That doesn't prove the supernatural exists.
     
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    Did I say you said your claim was the only true source of happiness.... if so, please, call me out. ;)
     
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    Good.. There is a thick deposit of silt in the Euphrates River Basin, but not elsewhere.
     
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    Only if you view things myopically.

    "the Tapeats Sandstone and Redwall Limestone of Grand Canyon can be traced across the entire United States, up into Canada, and even across the Atlantic Ocean to England. The chalk beds of England (the white cliffs of Dover) can be traced across Europe into the Middle East and are also found in the Midwest of the United States and in Western Australia. Inclined (sloping) layers within the Coconino Sandstone of Grand Canyon are testimony to 10,000 cubic miles of sand being deposited by huge water currents within days."
     
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    LOLOL.. The chalk cliffs aren't flood sediment. They are plankton skeletons laid down over millions of years.

    Who taught you such garbage?
     
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    Well, with you to help, we can all be at ease and sleep better.
     
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    You should be embarrassed.

    What Makes the White Cliffs of Dover White? | USA Today
    https://traveltips.usatoday.com/white-cliffs-dover-white-3309.html
    Formation. The White Cliffs date back over 136 million years, having formed during the Cretaceous period in the Mesozoic era as the shells and skeletons of billions of tiny sea creatures fell to the bottom of the sea.

    As the fragments settled over hundreds of thousands of years, they formed layers of chalk, or soft white limestone, that became the cliffs.
     
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    This is entirely, 100% God's problem. He created Hell. He didnt have to do that.

    Nonsense. Having the power to cure terminal illness, or to prevent it, and not doing so is the height of immorality.

    Evidently not, according to the Biblical authors.

    That depends. If we can agree on the goal of ethics, science can absolutely help us evaluate actions to assess how ethical they are.

    That is a sad commentary. We as humans give things meaning all the time. I don't need a deity to give my life, or the life of anyone I care about, significance.
     
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    That doesn't follow. The idea that we make choices that don't pertain directly to our survival or prosperity does not demonstrate that there is a reality beyond the natural world. The fact that I took 17 steps from my car to my front door when I could have taken 16 steps does not demonstrate the existence of God, or heaven, or hell, or anything else supernatural.
     
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    If I didn't claim that, then your comment was a non sequitur.
     
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    No more sound than another common claim:

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    Nothing. I think it implies a lot more about the writer than anything about the Bible or God.

    Nothing, except perhaps a willingness to believe that circular text implies circular reasoning.

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    Never heard this reasoning before.
    It must not be very common.
    It's not sound reasoning though, and since the Bible nor God didn't say it, it doesn't say anything about them.
    I didn't say it, so it says nothing about me either.
     
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    Ohhhhh. No wonder it's so common when it clearly is not.
     
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    Good to hear ... glad I gave you "Winner" ... It's really a nice OP and I don't understand why others find it negative
    You just pose 3 questions, and if others don't like the answers that pop up in their mind ... that is their problem
    They should not blame you for their own "inconvenient" answers
     
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    Then your basis of proof is sorely in need of revision.

    Then your basis of proof is sorely in need of revision.

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    Actually, he was trying to point out a semi-common fallacy. Whether he gets attacked or not on the subject, doesn't change the fact that he was not the originator of this idea.
     
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    'Taint common at all.


    The major difference being that while millions assert "The Bible is true because god says so," and "god is true because the Bible says so" I've never heard anyone assert "There is no god because the Bible's not true," or "the bible's not true because there's no god." And I sincerely doubt you have either.

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    If I would call something bad then it would be "others imposing on me what I should or should not do and what is good/bad for me"

    If someone wants to believe blind, I am totally senang with that ... belief is just what one thinks ... some mumbo jumbo in one's mind

    When "mind" is put in "word" or in "action" then of course other rules apply ... But I don't expect people to control their mind
     
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    I do not understand how that is relevant to what I said.
    Besides, I attacked no one, and he did admit "I, in fact, did create it. I used a program called CSSWRAP."
    It appears the phrases were made up as well.
    I never heard it before, and I don't know of anyone that uses it.

    Come on. No one reasons that lame.
     
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