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Featured The Plurality of God, The First and the Last

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 101G, Jan 20, 2022.

  1. YoursTrue

    YoursTrue Faith-confidence in what we hope for (Hebrews 11)

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    You made the statement that there is only one true God, based on your intuition but you made the statement. Not of course a text but you said it. Could your intuition be wrong?
     
  2. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    No, intuition does not prove God. Intuitions can be mistaken. But I have chosen to trust my intuition in this instance, since science and reason cannot provide a direction to go on the issue.
     
  3. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Yes, my intuition might be wrong. But I have chosen to trust it.
     
  4. 101G

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    GINOLJC, is not what is written is enough to believe? ... meaning the scriptures? is not writing a science? called language grammar? science is of God, meaning true science. there is nothing outside of God. so it is available to those who read and understand the bible.
    true science prove God, and confirms his existence every day. there is nothing wrong with being in step with your Intuition, as a matter of Fact it correspond to science with proof later. example, when the Lord Jesus after his resurrection appeared and then vanish before people, in quantum physics it simply means he just collapse the field around himself. meaning being invisible to the Naked eye. there are many example of Science, or rather TRUE science in the bible. so don't nessary abondon your intuition, even human Love is quantum based.
    take care,
    PICJAG, 101G.
     
  5. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    What is written is not evidence, and does not prove. Those who accept the Bible as the word of God basically do so on faith, not evidence, and so anything they believe based on the Bible is also a faith thing, not evidence or proof.
     
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  6. 101G

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    so your birth certificate is not good enought either then? for it's a written document.
    PICJAG, 101G.
     
  7. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    a birth certificate is not the same kind of document as a religious document. let's not be silly.
     
  8. 101G

    101G Well-Known Member

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    great, lets not be silly, but is is not a written document? now can you prove that what is written on your birth certificate is the TRUTH?. can you really .... prove it.
    PICJAG, 101G.
     
  9. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Harry Potter and Josephus writings are both written documents, but they are not the same KIND of writing. So let's not be foolish about this.
     
  10. 101G

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    Josephus writings and the Constitution of United States of America. do you believe them both? and if so, WHY, as said, let's not be silly. remember what you said, "'both written documents, but they are not the same KIND of writing".
    PICJAG, 101G.
     
  11. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I'm not going to continue this ridiculous argument with you. I don't believe for one second that you think Harry Potter and Josephus should be equally trusted for factual history. You are being disingenuous. Bye.
     
  12. Triumph

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    A important point is does one believe Almighty God is eternal or not. God is Alpha only, the eternal creator, without Omega, an end. The Bible is about God and the Devil that calls himself Lord God. The false God had a beginning, Alpha when he was invented in the mind of Abraham but has an Omega, an end with the extinction of our specie in thermonuclear world war, an End of Days Apocalypse. The final world religious war is caused by belief in Abraham by Jews, Muslims and grafted in Jew Christians which are 3 of the 4 horsemen of the Apocalypse. Jesus called Abraham the Father of the lie. In an attempt to save the world, Jesus taught do not believe in Abraham. Jesus hears the voice of God, this Abraham did not do because God never spoke with Abraham.
     
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  13. Triumph

    Triumph FREEDOM OF SPEECH

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    There are 2 creation stories in Genesis. The creation outline given by God, Father of Jesus, is in chapter 1. We are still in the symbolic 6th day of creation because new life with new DNA is born everyday on this planet and new suns and stars are also still being created in the universe .
    Humans are created as a specie, man and woman together, them. They are not given names. Plants and animals are created first before man because humans must consume other life to create our biological cells and it is impossible to exist without new cells being created as we grow. It is obvious if we do not eat, we do not exist. Plants and animals are the "us" in "let us make man in our image". Humans are mammals, God is not. God created our programmed DNA so we have intelligence able to create in the likeness of God using math, physics, the sciences with the ability for abstract thought to understand symbolism and parables. We are also programmed to have the emotions of love even for other species of life, empathy and mercy.
    Then in Genesis chapter 2 verse 4 the Jewish God invented by Abraham to establish his royal bloodline is presented. Note in this fake talking snake version of creation when only Hebrew/Jews are created, man is created before plants and animals, which is completely opposite to the original creation story. The forbidden by God fruit is believing a lie is the truth. If people believe in a dirt man, rib woman and talking snake then they are eating that fruit.
     
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    To Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and all that is therein, and He is Able to do all things”
    al-Maa’idah 5:116-120

    In Islam it's simple. You have:

    Tawhid al-Rububiyyah (Oneness of Divine Lordship), Tawhid al-Uluhiyyah (Oneness of Divinity) and Tawhid al-Asma wa’l-Sifat (Oneness of the Divine Names and Attributes).

    1. means believing in Allah as One and Unique with regard to His actions such as creation, sovereignty, control, giving life and death, and so on.

    2. means devoting all acts of worship, both inward and outward, in word and deed, to Allah Alone, and not worshipping anything or anyone other than Allah, no matter who he is.

    3. means affirming the names and attributes of Allah and believing that there is none like unto Allah in His names and attributes.

    There is no discussion about all these things that the bible is in confusion about. Very simple

    Allah is one always has been always will be. He's the only one worthy of worship. He begets not nor is he begotten. No one is comparable to Him.
     
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    GINOLJC, to all, first thanks for your reply, second, your conclusion that God is Alpha only, when assessed to him being eternal. Well then he cannot be alpha then either, for he has no beginning as eternal. Understand, he is alpha/first of the first creation, and the Omega/Last of this olf creation. The terms alpha has nothing to do with his being eternal, only in his creation..

    And there is no “END” to the his NEW CREATION. But an END to the Old Creation.

    Second, the bible is not about God and the Devil, only about God. The devil never called himself Lord God.

    Third, there is no false GOD, only |ONE” God, all “god”, asre false.

    Please post scripture from the bible where it states, as you say, “Jesus taught do not believe in Abraham. Jesus hears the voice of God, this Abraham did not do because God never spoke with Abraham”.

    Thanks in advance.

    PICJAG, 101G.
     
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    ERROR, Adam is not a personal name, but EVE is.
    second, you error, man was here before the animals, and before the Plants.

    PICJAG, 101G.
     
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    In the monotheistic religions God did speak with Abraham. He is the father of the Jews and Arabs. How can one say that Jesus taught not to believe in him?? There are many things that one can say and not be true. They cannot prove this.

    It says that Abraham spoke to Allah face to face and then fell on his face and prayed. .... the "face to face" is a contradiction to the others that say no one has seen the father bit....but it's typical to find contradictions in the Bible.

    Amazing that Abraham and Jesus BOTH fell on their faces to pray...who does that nowadays? (Muslims do) :)

    But Ibraham was the father of the Arabs, and the father of the Israelites, and he called people to pure Tawheed. ONE GOD ONLY WORTHY OF WORSHIP....that is Allah.
     
  18. rational experiences

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    Plural. Two of God.

    In the beginning heated consuming a satanic God.

    In the end a sealed God.

    The act of the satanic crime ended.

    One God of science the earth mass only. What man does as he can physically change back by time....by burning gases of mass into gases and energy.

    Satanic God is science.

    One true God. Cold cooling spirit heavens gas water ice God life support.

    The life of biologies saviour.

    Flowing. Movement is O rotation G spiral O.

    Taught. A human teaching. Said observed by humans. Taught by humans as humans for humans.

    Flooding. Earths God building the system to cause rain to cool burning gases.

    Flooding in our heavens over our head saves life genesis and was taught to humans.

    A science teaching. Mountains are holy they are closer to God in heavens actions than ground life.

    Man built temple science on mount top as it was cooler than ground air. Made a mistake UFO ark hit blasted toppled temple. A science teaching man of science is a liar. He doesn't own god.

    His machine is first one God and it cannot create or change anything by design. Non action.

    Design includes a humans actions to make the machination function. Still no resource. Man then puts God mass into machine a second time so machination can change it.

    Machine not God. Machine not the eternal you preached that caused god. You just lie.

    Pretty basic advice. Why any human writes books.

    The advice man's life brain Chemical balances became irrational when star fell. In that incident he heard old man's origin first earth pyramid sciences speaking.

    He was told don't listen.

    Ask why a scientist was always wrong he was gas irradiated his answer. Natural man is first. Science mind caused.

    Natural man can argue against scientist. Scientist owned bible teachings himself plus updated modern version.

    As you don't accept you are wrong scientist you keep the argument active yourself looking for new human conscious advice

    Thesis to think.
     
  19. Triumph

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    The beginning of the universe created by God was the act of creation it did not have a start "point" before which was nothing. God almighty is all powerful, creative, intelligent energy without a form which is why Jesus said no one has seen the face of God. God does not have a face and the energy of God always existed, was always Alpha and still is Alpha continuing to create new planets, suns and stars in the universe.
    Jesus called Abraham the devil when talking to temple priests that told Jesus they are sons of Abraham. They are not allowed to be priests unless they obey and believe the laws, rituals and traditions set down by Abraham, a man that claimed he has a "royal bloodline" with right to an eternal throne given to him by God. Jesus knows they are sons of Abraham, and tells them so because they do the works of Abraham that set up blood sacrifice laws and beliefs including human sacrifice to gain approval from God. These men are threatening to kill Jesus because Jesus does not support the temple laws thus does not support belief in Abraham. Jesus teaches water baptism removes sin, not blood sacrifice. These sons of Abraham reject the concept of water baptism. Jesus tells them he is the Christ and he is not a son of Abraham, he is the Son of God. Abraham had it written his sons ARE Gods and Jesus tells them no they are not. No man is a God. The sons of Abraham threaten to kill Jesus for calling himself Gods' son and Jesus points out, what is worse- calling oneself a "Son of God" or calling oneself "God" as Abraham had it written his sons are. Jesus denies a son of Abraham is the Christ which destroys the concept the Jews are circumcised to believe is true. The priests do not believe in a virgin birth so believe Jesus is conceived in sin by Joseph fornicating with Mary before marriage. As an attempt to express moral superiority over Jesus, the priests say they were not born of fornication because they think Jesus is born of fornication. Jesus tells them God speaks with Jesus and what Jesus tells them is true.
    This Abraham did not do because Abraham never heard the voice of God. There is no royal bloodline, no covenant, no Abrahamic priesthood, no chosen superior race because God did not speak with Abraham that claims he is chosen and had scribes write he is chosen when Abraham is a liar to exalt himself to a throne.
    John 8:44
    Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

    Matthew 13:39
    The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."
    The final war on Earth is a thermonuclear world war fought by Jews, Muslims and grafted in Jew Christians all that believe the lies of Abaham are truth.
    Abraham, the devil, does not care his sons will burn alive because Abraham is exalted with the power to destroy all life on Earth that God created in a nuclear war that destroys the ecology that collapses causing all biological extinction. In the End of Days result, Earth will have as much life on it as Mars.
    Angels do not have flappy bird wings. However they do fly and some fly from planets above us in the universe to Earth. They are in service to God in an attempt to save life on Earth. They obey the command not to kill so they are watchers only.
    Humans also create angels, pilots that fly fighter jets and helicopters that serve kings in an attempt to establish their laws as righteous with those that will not follow those laws judged worthy of death.
    Those angels are fallen angels when shot out of the sky judged by man as unworthy of life.
     
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  20. Triumph

    Triumph FREEDOM OF SPEECH

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    In the beginning GOD created heaven and Earth. That first sentence does not say Lord God created it.
    Biologically impossible for a Jew to be the first man created before plants and animals were created. The first human was not a Hebrew/Jew although Jews claim he was. God creates DNA and seeds the Earth with it so that programed DNA will evolve into biological life. Listen to GOD
    "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them." Finished, done, biology on Earh is established and the heaven above this planet is the air we breathe where birds fly that keeps us alive because don't breathe then die. This is not the only planet God created capable of sustaining life with breathable oxygen.so the word heaven is plural, heavens..
    Chapter 2 verse 4 "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens,"
    Understand "These ARE" means already in existence, humans are already created and alive for generations having children. Creation is already finished, humans are walking around with their families In the DAY that Lord God created the heavens and Earth.
    Earth was full of humans in the day Abraham was creating his own God he calls " Lord God" that invented a man called Adam and a woman called Eve. Abraham is like the Greek that created Zeus and the family tree of Zeus full of fictional stories to make those characters appear as if powerful and real. So in essence that Greek was Zeus because he invented him. Abraham is Lord God because Abraham invented him.
    God is not Lord God. Jesus is not God. Jesus is not Lord God. Many people are called Lord in the Bible and all kings are called Lord. So are princes, military commanders, land owners, husbands and teachers, all called Lord. But people ignoring that fact think every time they read the word Lord it is referencing God or Jesus when it usually references a king on a throne of rule saying he is the voice of God. Jesus denies he is God or Lord God or a king and accepts the title "Lord" only as a teacher, nothing else.
     
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