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Featured The Original Sin: who is to blame?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by 9-18-1, Apr 15, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

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    The idea of a first earth age is contradicted by passages such as 1 Corinthians 15:46–47, which says that the physical comes prior to the spiritual; this is the opposite of the first earth age model.
     
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    Stop trying to lay the blame on others for your failure to support your assertions.


    If it's so easy to see then you should be able to point it out to people who don't have your special "Spiritual discernment".

    Here is the specific verse you referenced (15) and the preceding and following ones.

    Ezekiel 28
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    Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

    15Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

    16By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.​

    Please show all of us how that substantiates your claim that "Lucifer was created million(sic) of years before Adam and Eve were created".

    Oh, that's right, you can't because there is nothing there.
     
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    Sumer, Elam, Akkad, Egypt, Mitanni, Urartu, Knossus, Mycenaea, Anatolia, Ebla, Ugarit, Harappa, Urumbamba, China are all pre Adamic..
     
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    None of that taken place at or during the time of Adam and Eve.
    But way back before Adam and Eve came into existence.

    Well seeing that of Lucifer didn't hapHap at the time of Adam and Eve, but way back before Adam and Eve came into existence.

    And seeing that Lucifer existed around the time of the dinosaurs, by which the dinosaurs bones dates back to around
    6.4 Million of years ago.
    So that means that Lucifer was there at the time of the dinosaurs.
    That during this time, is when Lucifer started his rebellion against God and God destroyed the first earth age because of Lucifer's rebellion.

    This is why there is water covering the earth in Genesis 1:2 that the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

    Also in 2 Peter 3:6 That the world that then was, being overflowed with water Perished

    All because of Lucifer's rebellion against e
     
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    Previously you stated that verses in Ezekial and Job supported your contention that "Lucifer was created million(sic) of years before Adam and Eve were created". I took the time to look up the verses. Not just the ones you stated, but the ones surrounding them as well so I would have context. There is noting in the verses you cited that support your allegation. I have given you opportunities to explain yourself but all you do is essentially say I, and others, don't have the biblical awareness to be able to understand. That's male bovine feces.

    Now you want to go off on another tack and have us follow some more blind assertions of yours. I'll not bother. Why should I? After all, when I show that you are wrong again, you'll just claim my blindness is the cause for my not agreeing with your silly notions.
     
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    I do understand that that is your opinion. You are entitled to your opinion. In a nutshell, it is your opinion is that "Lucifer was created million(sic) of years before Adam and Eve were created". You have cited verses from Ezekial and Job as your source for this opinion. However, there is nothing in those verses, or any others you have cited, that support your opinionated allegations. So, obviously, I and others question your (redacted).
     
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    Hebrews adopted the Syriac Civilization (Pre-Adamic)

    Aryold J. Toynbee wrote: {p. 423} The Hebrews (including the Moabites) adopted not only the Canaanite language but also the Phoenician alphabet for writing it.

    ... The discovery of the Ugarit texts shows that the Biblical Psalms, whatever their date, are indebted to a Phoenician hymnology that had a long tradition behind it.

    The Phoenicians also seem likely to have been the intermediaries through whom some of the Egyptian proverbs of Amenemope found their way into the Biblical Book of Proverbs almost verbatim.

    And the Canaanite origin of chapters viii-ix of the Book of Proverbs, on the theme of Wisdom, is attested by echoes here of themes in the Phoenician literature disinterred at Ugarit.

    The Sumero-Akkadian story of the creation of the World must have found its way to Palestine long before the Israelites' advent there, and must have been learnt by them from the Canaanites on whom they imposed themselves.

    Canaanite elements have not been detected in the eighth-century B.C. prophetic literature of Israel and Judah. But they reappear thereafter.

    'There is a veritable flood of allusions to Canaanite (Phoenician) literature in Hebrew works composed between the seventh and the third century B.C.: e.g. in Job, Deutero-Isaiah, Proverbs, Ezekiel, Habakkuk, the Song of Songs, Ecclesiastes, Jubilees, and part of Daniel.


    Source: A Study of History Volume XII Reconsiderations, Oxford University Press, London 1961.
     
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    Ezekiel was born about 622 BC about the time of Josiah's reforms. His "thirtieth year" is given as five years after the exile of Judah's king Jehoiachin by the Babylonians. Ezekiel was fifty years old when he had his final vision.
     
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    Well it's totally evidence that you have no idea how to put things together.

    Seeing the dinosaurs bones dates back way before Adam and Eve
    some 6.4 millions years ago and at this time Lucifer was there.
    But seeing have no understanding or spiritual discernment. How these can be.

    Maybe it's not ment for you to know. give that some thought
     
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    Those verses do give support, to the fact that Lucifer was created way before Adam and Eve were created.
    It's just you, that has no Spiritual discernment to understand such things.
    Maybe it's not ment for you to know.
     
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    As you showed nothing, only that you showed that you have no spiritual discernment of understanding the Spiritual Realm of things. That are given by the Spirit of God.

    So as it is written in 1 Corinthians:2:14
    "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"

    There you go all because what I given takes spiritual discernment to understand the things given by the Spirit of God
     
  12. Evangelicalhumanist

    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...

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    Look, you can tell me what you BELIEVE all you want, but try to understand, the fact that you believe somethings does not make an incontrovertible fact about the universe and everything in it. You think you own the absolute truth, other are just as sure that they do, and it isn't anything like yours. And neither of you has any better justification than the other. Just saying...
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...

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    When did you become godlike, so that you could know who has "spiritual discernment" and who does not, and who is "ment" (sic) to know anything? You think rather highly of yourself, don't you?
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...

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    D'uh….dead dinosaurs?
     
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    The spirit of God gave you special insights? Good grief.
    Many civilizations were in full swing before Adam and Eve. I bet God knows that.
     
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    Please note that the doctrine of the Serpent Seed (or the doctrine of the Original Sin) is neither an allegory, a myth, a legend, nor a fable, but is based on literal historical facts set forth and emphasized by the use of certain particular expressions or figures of speech.

    A particular expression or figure of speech is never used except for the purpose of emphasizing and intensifying, and calling attention to, the reality of, the literal sense. It is God's way of hiding Truth whilst revealing It.

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    The Doctrine of the Serpent Seed and The Doctrine of the Original Sin...3
     
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    I think as myself as a Christian unto God, that knows what Spiritual discernment is.
    Something that you probably have no clue or idea about.
     
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    Of a matter of fact, man was here on earth before Adam and Eve were created.

    I bet you didn't know that God in bible/scriptures does support the fact that man was here on earth before Adam and Eve were created.

    I bet that rains on your little parade now doesn't it.
     
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    Evangelicalhumanist "Truth" isn't a thing...

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    I've finally read enough of your posts to be able to interpret what you mean by "Spiritual discernment." It definitely appears to be a total lack of knowledge of anything outside of the Bible, along with an ability to translate certain biblical passages so as to mean what you want them to mean, rather than what the authors thought they were writing.

    I'm not impressed, to be honest...
     
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    Every crackpot and charlatan claims spiritual discernment.

    Of course there people before Adam and Eve. Sumer was old and very successful in Agriculture.. 120,000 years prior East Africans crossed on to the Arabian Peninsula. 40,000 years ago people were painting cave art in Spain and France.

    12,000 years ago the Natufians were building stone granaries in the Levant and living in Jericho.
     
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