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The oneness of God proves he exists, you can't believe in Oneness without knowing he exists.

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Link, May 18, 2021.

  1. Link

    Link Well-Known Member
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    Peace and blessings to all truth seekers and may God guide us all and may the haters stop hating as well.


    Oneness of God is the assertion, there can't be any gods with God. But why is that asserted and what is the proof?

    Absolute Greatness from absolute life perspective, is that there can't be any life more then it and all life then is dependent on God and comes from God's own life and he creates it without losing any life in himself. As everything depends on God and everything is found in God and God is full of all greatness and life, nothing can be imagined to exist beside him if God is real.

    Now aside from that, is conceptually God cannot be conceived as a concept if he is real. The reasons are given by Anselm and Descartes in detail, but, suffice to say is that being Necessary is greater then being non-Necessary in terms of existence, and absolute life is such that nothing can exist without it giving it life.

    The only objection by Atheists to this, is that Necessity in terms of existence cannot be perceived. They make analogy, a book can exist in imagination, a blue book for example, and exist in reality. Reality itself however is not witnessed, except by direct experience in real life.

    My reply to this is that God by definition is the only being that it's impossible to imagine but rather because he is the necessary being, he can only be seen to exist. And as for reality not being perceive, we perceive ourselves existing and so when we remember God, we only not remember he exists, we remember some further. We see ourselves existing but it's possible we didn't exist. With God it's impossible to conceive of him not existing, because he is necessary by definition.

    The idea of necessity itself is irrefutable. If it's a rational concept, it definitely is real. Somethings are impossible to exist like triangles with more then 180 degrees, and somethings like us are possible existence, and there is nothing irrational that it's possible that a Necessary existence exist. But in model logic, and if you think about it really, putting the word possible to Necessary is like putting extra positive symbols to a positive number, it doesn't change it being positive. Necessary is not only possible but by definition exists, and cannot but exist.

    Therefore you reach this conclusion Necessary existence exists. And if we can perceive it's trait of being necessary, which is seen from the perspective of perfection, greatness or life amount, with respect to God, it cannot be imagined not to exist, and hence, it is known it exists.

    I never understood how Muslims emphasize on the cosmological argument, which doesn't prove oneness of God and shoot down ontological argument as circular reasoning or take side of those who refute it, just because it wasn't developed by a Muslim.

    It's exactly the argument of Tawheed. The argument of Tawheed argues why there can't be other gods beside God, but the exact same argument shows, God cannot be defined by imagination and that he is absolute and necessary and exists beyond doubt when his oneness is perceived.

    Those who say, if God exists, he would be one by definition, but we don't know if he exists or not, have not understood the argument for why we know he is One. If you understood the latter, you would agree with both Anselm and Descartes who made sound arguments for God's existence and how we can't remember God and cannot imagine the possibility he doesn't exist when recalling the Necessary aspect about it.
     
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  2. The Hammer

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    The sensation of Oneness during a Mystical Experience, is in no way an indicator of a singular God.
     
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  3. Link

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    This is a different topic, but interesting. If you make a thread explaining this, I will reply, as I did take a course in mysticism. There is a monism experience which is a different type of oneness by mystic experience. But all this is off-topic to my opening post.
     
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