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Featured The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by wizanda, Dec 4, 2017.

  1. wizanda

    wizanda Hairy doesn't mean scary;beard doesn't mean weird
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    Someone analysed the Bible and Quran to see which is more violent

    Personally find this interesting that when based on a analytical perspective, it says the Jews have far more violent beliefs than Muslims; thus should either book be endorsed in society anymore, when they encourage such disgusting acts?

    Like shouldn't we move on from the barbaric past that humans have had, instead of teach it to our children as religious values to live by.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
  2. Eliab ben Benjamin

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    what violence is it that you imagine Jews have ...
     
  3. wizanda

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    The textual analysis in the article shows the Tanakh is a violent book; aware that the Rabbinic Jews have created their own religion on top of the Tanakh, that tries to use common law rather than the violent statutory Laws stipulated in the Torah.

    Yet personally don't blame just Jews, all people can be violent; the thread is about the textual analysis showing the Tanakh is worse than the Quran.

    My sentiments are, isn't it about time we tried to evolve, and use text that leads us as a human race to enlightenment, not to darkness portrayed as light.

    Please take into account I accept fulfillment of Biblical prophecy; yet some of it isn't helping humanity progress to an age of Godliness without war, it is keeping us in the Dark Ages with tons of violence, because it portrays it as godly.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    Wizander, one should examine who the violent verses are addressed to, and how that is relevant today if at all. Simply saying the Bible or Qur'an is violent and irrelevant today misses the point, as you don't put forward a vision to address the problems of today, whereas Jews, Christians and Muslims all hold that their religion can help solve the problems of today.

    For example, imagine you are Head of State of a newly found Island that can sustain 100,000,000 people. What do you propose to do about Murderers, Rapists, Child Molesters, Burglars, Petty Thieves, Drink Drivers, Drug Abuse, Tax Evaders and Corporate Fraud to name but a few issues that you would have to deal with.

    What war today is about Religion then and where's your evidence?
     
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  5. Eliab ben Benjamin

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    I guess i agree with your evaluation and opinion...
    though the modern Jews i know are somewhat more peaceful and enlightened ...
     
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  6. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    The modern Israelis are hardly less violent than their Palestinian neighbors!!
     
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  7. Rival

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    This depends on the type of violence, not the quanitity. The Tanach can be very violent in places and it has no shame about it; or any of the sexual acts depicted. The thing most non-Muslims mean when they say 'the Qur'an/hadith/sirah' is violent' is that the violence is continual - it's prescribed for all times. The violence of the Tanach is contextual and prescribed for certain times; most if not all of the people groups the Hebrews were told to wipe out have been, well, wiped out.

    Shemot/Exod: 22.20: And you shall not mistreat a stranger, nor shall you oppress him, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.

    23.9: And you shall not oppress a stranger, for you know the feelings of the stranger, since you were strangers in the land of Egypt.
     
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  8. Lyndon

    Lyndon "Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
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    So the Jews are superior because they were more successful at genocide???
     
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  9. Rival

    Rival Noachide Fundamentalist Pro-Semite
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    That's not what I said. I said nothing about superiority.
     
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  10. wizanda

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    My actual name is ZandA with a strong A.
    Some of the statements in both religious texts, are addressed to the followers of said texts; to kill in the name of god, to violently purge whole groups of people from the world in both texts... So according to the text it is applied to the whole of time, and anyone who follows it. :rolleyes:
    Hadn't said anything is irrelevant; said someone analyzed the text and found it violent.
    Every religious group will deem that if everyone followed their religion, we would have world peace...

    Do you know that some of the earliest towns we've discovered, is because we created different religions and fought against each other?

    If these religious groups accepted religion is one, and there is only one God, then we could solve the worlds problems today; yet whilst they're told to kill off the other religious groups, do you really see that as peaceful?
    Easy; got it written as an article, yet not published it yet, still pondering... My method would be different levels of electrocution that are administered by the criminal, and mandated by a council.

    So literally in that method no person is being violent to anyone, only the criminal has to learn from their own mistakes.
    What planet were you born on? :confused:

    Why would i need to show evidence; turn on the news, we can see violent acts happening every day in Gaza, we can see land separations based on religion like Pakistan and India, etc.

    Imagine if there was just one religion globally, where we all had the same goals of enlightened world peace together... We wouldn't have had half of the territorial wars throughout history.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    @wizanda what is it that you mean by 'violence'?
     
  12. wizanda

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    'Using or involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something.' - violent define - Google Search
     
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    Right but are you including punishments, i.e., death penality, lashes.
     
  14. Lyndon

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    The death penalty is violence!!
     
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    You see, I disagree; so first we need to sort out what we all mean.
     
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    Whether or not the death penalty is violent depends upon the means in which the penalty is executed. Lethal injection isn't violent; beheading or firing squad is.
     
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    Indeed there will be some sort of violence, according to Halacha, but if it is deserved it doesn't bother me. So I won't count it. Did anyone care and protest when Ted Bundy was executed? Nope. They stood outside the prison counting the minutes!
     
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    What's the quote, "those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it". Don't make God start all over again by forgetting the past.
     
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    Violence is anything done to another person in a way that may intend to harm them...

    Often punishment which is done in rage doesn't discipline anyone, it is just a violent outburst....

    The only way to truly educate someone is for them to see it as wrong, and administer their own punishment, to remove all blame of it being a violent act.
    Should watch the film 'Dead Man Walking', if you haven't already seen it...

    Not sure that capital punishment can ever be truly seen as none violent, as the person is dead after, which clearly implies they've been harmed.
    Excellent point and do agree, we shouldn't burn books or dismiss anything; yet we should archive them, and move on from ancient barbaric cultures into an Age of enlightenment.

    We could recognize all religions as a history of mankind, and then move on to the Messianic Age of none violence; as we recognize the errors of our past together.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    How far in the past do you believe the last war or last murder was? I mean what fantasy world are you living in that we should dismiss enlightenment to mankinds sinfullness?
     
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