The Need For Christian Symbolism on Government Property

[SkepticThinker]

Maybe you should study out about those people long ago, Who founded this Country.
And why they put in the Constitution, All men are created equal by the creator.

That's not in the Constitution. It's in the Declaration of Independence.

It seems they didn't have a Problem with God in things.

Except that they specifically stated in the First Amendment that the government is not to establish any religion. So there's that.

 

[SkepticThinker]

What other reason would there be other than a person has quilt.

For 40 to 50 years no one complain about them until last 30 to 20 years.

It seems that people let things bother them. That people didn't let bother them

What other reason could there be?

How about they don't follow Christianity?
How about they don't think the government should be endorsing any particular religion, as per the Constitution?

 

[SkepticThinker]

For what other reason would those people who Written up the Constitution, put All men are created equal by the creator, those men who signed their names to the Constitution were of Christian.

All your trying to do is turn twist around what those people stood for.

That appears to be what you are doing.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Are you freaking kidding me, why would a person sign a document that they didn't believe in ?
If one of them didn't want the creator mention, then why would they sign a document that had something they didn't believe in.

I guess that would mean that they did agree with the document they were signing. The Constitution doesn't endorse any particular religion and specifically states that the government shall not establish a religion.

It's the Declaration of Independence that mentions a Creator, not the Constitution.

 

[SkepticThinker]

It doesn't take a collage professor to figure out by reading the Constitution to figure out what they stood for and they were of Christian religion.

Let's for say, some of them that Written the Constitution were Atheists, now why would
An Atheist put all men are created equal by the creator. Go Figure.

Go ask any Atheists if they were to write up a document if they would mention God in their document ?

Where do you think the Constitution states that Christianity should be the dominant religion?

 

[sun rise]

I'm not now addressing the OP question, but since there was a list, I thought I'd fact check just two. The slogan on the currency was added to differentiate the USA from the communists - it was a political statement. At this point, I am not convinced that the question asked was valid for more than a tiny minority.

Moses/Supreme Court- Courtroom friezes: The South Wall Frieze includes figures of lawgivers from the ancient world and includes Menes, Hammurabi, Moses, Solomon, Lycurgus, Solon, Draco, Confucius, and Augustus. The North Wall Frieze shows lawgivers from the Middle Ages on and includes representations of Justinian, Muhammad, Charlemagne, John, King of England, Louis IX of France, Hugo Grotius, Sir William Blackstone, John Marshall, and Napoleon.
United States Supreme Court Building - Wikipedia

I could find no mention of Bible verses on the Lincoln Memorial

 

[Revoltingest]

@Faithofchristian ....
Could you fix the quotations in your response to me?
It's hard to read when even your answer is contained within.

One good reason to not see Americastan as a Xian country is that we've
made progress overcoming religious interference at taxpayer expense.
When I was in public elementary school, we had forced Xian prayer &
Bible story time. Testifying in court meant swearing an oath to God.
We're fortunate to have moved beyond that flavor of stone age oppression.

 

[leibowde84]

Many of the founding fathers were not Christian. They were deists. And, the phrase "all men are created equal" is in no way Christian, so it doesn't violate the constitution. Christian symbolism, on the other hand, does violate the establishment clause of the constitution.

The founding fathers themselves made it explicitly illegal for the government to support or endorse any religion (including Christianity) above any other.

John Adams also made it explicitly clear that we are not a Christian nation in the Treaty of Tripoli (Treaty of Tripoli - Wikipedia).

So, it is abundantly clear that the founding fathers were in no way endorsing Christianity. Remember, God is not owned by Christianity. Even the God of Abraham applies to Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.

 

[leibowde84]

Your claim here is absolutely, 100% false.

"Those who Written up the Constitution only believed in one Religion and in only one God. Now why would they who was Christians want to endorse any other religion but Christianity."

The founding fathers did no only believe in one Religion. As I said and is easily seen with evidence, many were deists, not Christians. John Adams made it clear, in writing, that we are not a Christian nation. And, they went to great lengths to ensure that the government COULD NOT endorse or support any religion over another. Why else would they have included the establishment clause?

 

[leibowde84]

For what other reason would those people who Written up the Constitution, put All men are created equal by the creator, those men who signed their names to the Constitution were of Christian.

All your trying to do is turn twist around what those people stood for.

Yet again, you are dead wrong. Not all of the founding fathers were Christians.

 

[leibowde84]

For what other reason would those people who Written up the Constitution, put All men are created equal by the creator, those men who signed their names to the Constitution were of Christian.

All your trying to do is turn twist around what those people stood for.

All you have to do is look at Thomas Jefferson. He created his own bible where he took out everything referring to the supernatural. He liked the morality Jesus was teaching in the Bible, but he didn't believe in the supernatural, God related aspects. He didn't believe Jesus rose from the dead.

 

[Faithofchristian]

That's not in the Constitution. It's in the Declaration of Independence.


Except that they specifically stated in the First Amendment that the government is not to establish any religion. So there's that.

If your going to quote something at lease quote it all and correctly.
The 1st Admendment to the Constitution reads as follows.
"Congress shall not make no law Respecting an establishment of Religion or Prohibiting the free Exercise thereof"

Therefore those things that you say should come down.
Are the free Exercise of Christians and Congress can not Prohibiting the free Exercise thereof.

So as you said, So There's That?

But still you didn't answer the first question. What is your True Motive behind it, to have them Removed?

Seeing it's Christians free Exercise and seeing Congress can not Prohibiting the free Exercise thereof.

 

[Revoltingest]

All you have to do is look at Thomas Jefferson. He created his own bible where he took out everything referring to the supernatural. He liked the morality Jesus was teaching in the Bible, but he didn't believe in the supernatural, God related aspects. He didn't believe Jesus rose from the dead.

And what it mean to them if they knew Jefferson had a Koran?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

For what other reason would those people who Written up the Constitution, put All men are created equal by the creator, those men who signed their names to the Constitution were of Christian.

All your trying to do is turn twist around what those people stood for.

No they were not, we know what faiths they each followed.
Some were Christian some were Deists and some were Unitarian.
B Franklin was a unitarian. Christians and Unitarians believe in God the creator. Deists believe in a creator but not God
The consensus was to use the term Creator. this was something they could all sign up to.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Where do you think the Constitution states that Christianity should be the dominant religion?

All you have to do is look at what those people stood for and when they attended church each Sunday. What Religion do you suppose they stood for?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Maybe you should study out about those people long ago, Who founded this Country.
And why they put in the Constitution, All men are created equal by the creator.

It seems they didn't have a Problem with God in things.

From the OP .....

"And PLEASE, no This is a Christian nation or America was founded on Christian principles therefore . . . . . If these are your best replies then save yourself the effort and don't bother posting."

 

[Faithofchristian]

@Faithofchristian ....
Could you fix the quotations in your response to me?
It's hard to read when even your answer is contained within.

One good reason to not see Americastan as a Xian country is that we've
made progress overcoming religious interference at taxpayer expense.
When I was in public elementary school, we had forced Xian prayer &
Bible story time. Testifying in court meant swearing an oath to God.
We're fortunate to have moved beyond that flavor of stone age oppression.

So you say, but it doesn't change a thing.

Have you proof to show forth, What is your True Motive is behind in having things Removed?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Where do you think the Constitution states that Christianity should be the dominant religion?

It would be hard to argue that Christianity was not the overwhelmingly dominant religion in America at the time.
Sometimes documents do not bother to state what is obvious.

 

[Faithofchristian]

No they were not, we know what faiths they each followed.
Some were Christian some were Deists and some were Unitarian.
B Franklin was a unitarian. Christians and Unitarians believe in God the creator. Deists believe in a creator but not God
The consensus was to use the term Creator. this was something they could all sign up to.

So you admitted they all believed in God in one way or another. Thank you Case closed.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

So you admitted they all believed in God in one way or another. Thank you Case closed.

Deists do not believe in God.
They only believe there had been a creator.