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  1. Fool

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    You're mixing different concepts... Yet to explain:
    New name of Christ is a secret; yet is right in front of us cryptically.
    John is made up to make people believe Yeshua's name has something to do with YHVH, which meant Lord To Be, and shouldn't be implied as Babylonian Judaism assumed.
    Now this is an amazing verse, as this is related in Isaiah 35:10, and Isaiah 51:11, that they will have Ever Lasting Joy on their foreheads...

    This is also a Dharmic concept called Sat Chit Ananda, to be in constant bliss.

    We should also take into account Zechariah 14:9 that the Lord will be king over the whole world, and his name will be One name accepted globally.
    This is referring to Wisdom being as a seductive woman, where the name isn't really related...

    Tho it is interesting in Song of Solomon 8:6 that it uses Flame of the Lord, which is a Zoroastrian specific term; where the Lord is called Lord of Wisdom (Ahura Mazda).
    This can be read as simply saying the Lord's name, and YHVH is not a specific name, just a description.
    That isn't declaring a specific name, just that people do things using the Lord.
    Simply saying fear the Lord, doesn't need to be a specific name.
    This answers what the name is, and it is literally right in front of us... Yet if someone doesn't get the basics, they'll not get the complexities of the New Song.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    • Yeshua fitted with Hebraic/Israelite beliefs.
    • Judaism doesn't fit with the Tanakh; it fits with the Babylonian Talmud.
    • Christianity from John, Paul, and Simon fits with Pharisaic Judaism; not with Yeshua's teachings.
    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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    But you've never really explained why Christianity, from the Bible, does not match Jesus's religion.

    JESUS religion doesn't match many misinterpretations, and basically, fake christianity, but that is arbitrary.
     
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    Sorry didn't post the links, edited and added them...

    Simple version is Yeshua challenged the Sanhedrin for murdering the prophets as atoning sacrifices in Matthew 23:27-38, Mark 7:1-13, and the Parable of the Wicked Husbandman (Matthew 21:33-46, Mark 12:1-12, and Luke 20:9-19)...

    Therefore the idea they all taught Yeshua came to die for people's sins is diametrically opposed to his teachings.

    If you look at the links, there is masses of info that can be shown to be contradictory; yet when we get the very basic premise they put forward is flawed, the rest falls over like a house of cards.

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    Ok that is an involved subject, however, I believe the sacrifice, to be completely conditional
    John 3:36

    This literally means that without that acceptance, the person is going to Hell.

    It isn't a worldly religion, trying to make it worldly isn't going to work.

    It is not a salvation through works, religion.
     
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    so how can christ appear if none are exclusively christ?

    Matthew 24:5
    For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    Mark 13:6
    For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

    Luke 21:8
    And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go you not therefore after them.
     
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    the people not of the kingdom burn from within


    Matthew 8:12
    But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Matthew 22:13
    Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Matthew 25:30
    And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.





    Matthew 24:29
    Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:


    Matthew 6:23
    But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!

    Luke 11:34
    The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness.


    with love comes understanding.


    People I know places I go
    Make me feel tongue tied
    I can see how people look down
    They're on the inside
    Here's where the story ends
    People I see, weary of me
    Showing my good side
    I can see how people look down
    I'm on the outside
    Here's where the story ends
    Ooh here's where the story ends
     
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    There is only one Messiah (anointed king) in the Messianic age, and Yeshua has the guest-list from his actions.
    These are in reference to imposters of Yeshua using the term Ego I-mee ("I Am"); which we repeatedly find badly worded in the fake Gospel of John.

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    i disagree. anyone claiming to be the exclusive christ is the problem. christ is all as the name implies.
     
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    Christos = Anointed = Messiah

    In my opinion
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    i'm talking about the name at exodus 3:14. the name that moses learned from the egyptian priesthood and known in other belief systems.

    jesus didn't call for people to idolize him. he asked that they serve like fruitful trees
     
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    That would mean that they could come in His name.

    The reason they cant come in His name, is because they arent Jesus.
     
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    This is a concept, ehyah is 'To Be'; meaning the Lord will become what it says.
    Told them to love him more than family, and give up everything to follow him.

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    A collection of early Gnostic scripts dating on or before the 4th century, discovered in 1945 and known as the Nag Hammadi library, contains a tractate pertaining to Melchizedek. Here it is proposed that Melchizedek is Jesus Christ.[66] Melchizedek, as Jesus Christ, lives, preaches, dies and is resurrected, in a gnostic perspective. The Coming of the Son of God Melchizedekspeaks of his return to bring peace, supported by the gods, and he is a priest-king who dispenses justice.


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    Melchizedek appealed with especial force as a type of the monotheist of the pre-Abrahamic time or of non-Jewish race, like Enoch. Like Enoch, too, he was apotheosized. He was placed in the same category with Elijah, the Messiah ben Joseph, and the Messiah ben David (Suk. 52b, where "Kohenẓedek" should be corrected to "Malkiẓedeḳ"). The singular feature of supernatural origin is ascribed to all four, in that they are described as being "without father and without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days nor end of life, but made like unto the son of God abiding forever" (Heb. vii 2-3; comp. Ruth. R. v. 3, where the original text [see "Pugio Fidei," p. 125] referred also to Ps. cx. 4, Isa. liii. 2, and Zech. vi. 12, comp. Yalḳ., Reubeni Bere****, 9d; Epiphanius, "Hæresis," lv. 3). According to Midr. Teh. to Ps. xxxvii., Abraham learned the practise of charity from Melchizedek. Philo speaks of him as "the logos, the priest whose inheritance is the true God"
     
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    jesus isn't the All. no person is.
     
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    melchizedek wasn't the average person either. jesus was a pattern of what a perfect human was; jesus was ordered/patterned after melchizedek he wasn't god. at best he is a demi-god like the rest of us. jesus said you can do all these things and more; if you believe.


    god doesn't play favorites. surely you wouldn't suggest that god would stack the deck, load the dice, rig the game????



     
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    This is the whole point in the Biblical texts: Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing, but the glory of kings is to search out a matter.

    Only those wise enough will ever understand it, and be worthy of an Age of Enlightenment.
    In Psalms 82:6 it says we're Elohim, which should be translated as Angels... There is no such thing as demigods, that is what ancient polytheistic religions believed in.
    Melchizedek came from Salam, which is peace; the same as Kalki, Maitreya, Buddha come from Shambhala (Place of Peace)...

    Heaven is called Oneness, which is a place of peace; so it is possible Melchizedek, and Yeshua are avatars from the divine, which makes them Arch Angels.

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    true, not everyone is going to step up, or try to complete the challenge.



    a demi-god is still a god. it just has the adjective and attribute demi attached to it. demi literally means half size and is not reference to a human being necessarily. it means the offspring of a deity vs jesus was also a man; or offspring of mankind, son of man.
     
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