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The name Michael

Discussion in 'Theism' started by savagewind, Sep 25, 2013.

  1. savagewind

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    The name Michael means who is like god. Correct?

    Does it mean

    "Who is like God?" a question

    or is it

    He "who is like god" a statement

    ???
     
  2. Tarheeler

    Tarheeler Argumentative Curmudgeon Staff Member Premium Member

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    According to the all mighty wikipedia: In Hebrew, Michael means "who is like God?".

    A rhetorical question, most likely.
     
  3. savagewind

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    There is a huge difference between a person who asks "who is like god?" and a person who is recognized as like God.

    The reason why I ask is because Jesus would never, ever ask that. So if the person called Michael is called that because it is like he is asking the question who is like God, it can't be Jesus. Jesus knows there is no one like God.

    If it is a statement then the controversy goes on....and on.....and on....and...you get the idea
     
  4. savagewind

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    Thank you. It is what most people think, that it is a question. But the controversy about who Michael represents got me thinking.
     
  5. Tarheeler

    Tarheeler Argumentative Curmudgeon Staff Member Premium Member

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    I'm pretty sure it's a question. My Hebrew name is Micah and means the same thing, and there are variations with Yah at the end instead of El. They seem to have been fairly common names in ancient Israel.
     
  6. Levite

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    It's also my son's name, so I can tell you with certainty, the name "Michael" is a rehetorical question, "Who is like God?"
     
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    Horrorble Well-Known Member

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    I've never thought of that, cool!
     
  8. Gjallarhorn

    Gjallarhorn N'yog-Sothep

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    On the other side, how would one create a name meaning "One like God"?
     
  9. savagewind

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    I suppose those people who believed in gods. Even presently there are humans considered gods. Why would a parent name their child that? Hoping he will win the Olympic games, maybe. (haha)

    Jesus is consider by many like God or God. So his name could be "one like God". I believe Michael means who, not he.

    Why would God's son be sent forth to look for someone like God? It's ridiculous. The name isn't ridiculous for anyone else but for the one who knows there is no one else. Why go looking for something you know's not there?
    Michael is not Jesus.

    There is no bowing one. Here's a frog. :frog:
     
  10. graalbaum

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    in some traditions, it was believed that Jesus was secretly Michael.

    Michael is often seen as a solar arch angel related to tifferet, of course this has not always been true. Traditionally for orthodox Christians though he is generally seen as solar. Solar beings are often saviors and mediators between mankind and God.

    Michael is one of the few beings found outside of judaeo christianity....
     
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  12. Huey09

    Huey09 He who struggles with God

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    that was beautiful.:clap What was the song about if I may ask?
     
  13. savagewind

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    Nice. It is this: Who is like you, Adonai, among other gods?
    Who is like you, glorious in holiness,
    awesome in praises, doing miracles?
     
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  14. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    The name is a question if you seek to cast doubt on his character.

    I see it as a descriptive.
    Michael is like God.
     
  15. savagewind

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    Jesus is like God.
     
  16. savagewind

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    Someone who is in awe of God will say "who is like God?".

    Do you have any evidence that says that about Jesus? Is Jesus in awe of God?
    Jesus is God's son. Is it a common thing for a son to be in awe of his father? No, I am sure it is not.
     
  17. Orias

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    Its rhetorical really. It likely implies that the name or person is close with "God".
     
  18. savagewind

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    Now that I have settled on it is a question I think it has to do with seeking God as Zephaniah 2:3 says Seek YHVH, all you humble of the land, who have kept his ordinances. Seek righteousness. Seek humility.
    Psalm 105:4 Seek YHVH and his strength. Seek his face forever more.

    To look for someone you must first know who it is you are looking for.

    I believe Jesus never had to seek YHVH. Jesus did not go looking for his Father. He went looking for his Father's lost sheep.

    Michael isn't Jesus.

    Who is like [YHVH] vs YHVH is salvation. They can't be the same person.

    Michael is said to be the helper of them who seek YHVH. I believe that.
     
  19. graalbaum

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    is "like"God?

    Not Jesus IS God?

    what about John 10:30?



    I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together. --the beatles
     
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  20. savagewind

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    That is a really really really really old argument :facepalm: It's been settled.
     
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