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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by JJ50, Jun 29, 2019.

  1. The Anointed

    The Anointed Well-Known Member

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    How many women by the name Mary were at the crucifixion, burial, and empty tomb of Jesus, according to the four gospels? I will await your erroneous answer.
     
  2. JJ50

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    If the guy was actually crucified, I should think there was a huge crowd enjoying the event, no doubt a number of the women were called Mary.
     
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  3. The Anointed

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    You can think what you like But you are wrong . And the question was; "How many women by the name Mary were at the crucifixion, burial, and empty tomb of Jesus, ACCORDING TO THE FOUR GOSPELS?" Not what YOU suppose, jojo.
     
  4. JJ50

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    The gospels aren't any sort of evidence as they were written a long time after the guy was a rotting corpse. You have no evidence that any of their tales have any credence.
     
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    I agree. She does deserve crowning.
     
  6. Father Heathen

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    And that sets it apart from the rest of it how?
     
  7. PruePhillip

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    Luke 11:28
    As Jesus was saying these things, a woman in the crowd raised her voice and said,
    “Blessed is the womb that bore You, and blessed are the breasts that nursed You.”
    But He replied, “Blessed rather are those who hear the word of God and obey it.”

    So there is the warning - from Jesus' own mouth. "But He replied..." and
    "Blessed rather are those..."
    In other words, don't worship Mary.
     
  8. JJ50

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  9. JJ50

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    Thanks for called me kid, that is really kind of you seeing I shall be 70 next year.:D:D I have probably read that book from cover to cover many more times than you, but without wearing rose coloured spectacles and with an unquestioning attitude like yours.
     
  10. Musing Bassist

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    It's hardly any such thing. On the contrary, those who obey the word of God necessarily venerate Mary. See Luke 1:42 and Luke 1:28.

    Absolutely not. Mary is a creature, not in herself divine. Nevertheless, as mother of the incarnate God she is due every veneration.
     
  11. JJ50

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    It is much more likely Mary got pregnant before marriage by Joseph or another guy. The idea of a god, which probably doesn't exist, getting her up the duff is not credible in the slightest. I reckon the virgin birth story was concocted to cover up the unfortunate conception of Jesus.
     
  12. PruePhillip

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    How did Jesus "venerate" Mary?
    How did the foundational Christians "venerate" Mary?
    I thought she was just a little ol' Jewish lady. If Jesus wasn't attractive,
    maybe she wasn't attractive either.
    People who "venerate" Mary have less focus upon venerating Jesus.
    Let's quote Jesus again, "But RATHER, blessed are they who hear the
    word of God and obey it." Obeying means just that - doing what you are
    told. And you aren't told there's another beside Jesus, let alone a queen
    of heaven.
     
  13. Road Less Traveled

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    This may be easier to state if one’s biological mother and/or father are/were someone decent. For many others, that is not the case.
     
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    The # of ‘conditions’ and ‘beliefs’ in order to be redeemed, saved, etc. and/or fit in and belong with the fellow ‘hive mind’ just seem to keep increasing amongst the many practices.

    Beliefs of Mary, beliefs that the Bible and mankind’s many differing interpretations of it are the word of god, beliefs in all sorts of theological doctrines, and much more. From the one simple belief allegedly needed.... has transpired into so much more.

    One part of me is intrigued as to how all of this stuff is appealing and sensible to many while another part of me understands that if I were in their current shoes, I’d be doing the same stuff.
     
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    IMO the Abrahamic Faith's were built on the idea that a masculine God was superior to a feminine God and so literally all of the Goddess oriented elements of divinity were removed or subsumed into that of God the Father.

    But God the Mother remains as just as compelling a psychological reality so the Catholics, in their good sense of sorts, had to sneak the Goddess back in or they might have lost an opportunity to capture the devotion of many Goddess oriented believers.
     
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    By calling her woman?
     
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    Is this the character of an ‘anointed one?’
     
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  18. PruePhillip

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    People who spout these beliefs are essentially saying they don't believe in the bible.
    If God is the "Father" to those who communed with Him or wrote of Him in the bible
    then he's the Father - period.
    And if God is somehow converted to a Mother figure then the authors of this confusion
    are really saying the bible is a fabrication that can be further fabricated.
    If God is Mother then perhaps Jesus is Jesse and the Devil is Nicolette... no wait, the
    Devil will always be male to those who fiddle with the written texts.
     
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    The Canaanite had a pantheon of gods and the Hebrews were just another Canaanite tribe.

    Asherah was the great Canaanite Mother Goddess since about the 13th century BCE and is arguably the most important Goddess in the Canaanite pantheon. Like Anat, She is a was well-documented Goddess of the northwest Semitic pantheon....... See Ugarit at Ras Shamra.
     
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  20. exchemist

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    This poster has a preoccupation with some crank theory or other to do with Mary the wife of Clopas. Give him half a chance and this is what you will get, hoping you will take the bait, query it and thereby allow him to expatiate on his theory. (I've been through it once.)

    As you say, Mary, or Maryam, or Miriam, seems to have been and remains a common name in the Levant.
     
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