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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Subduction Zone, Jan 28, 2021.

  1. Subduction Zone

    Subduction Zone Veteran Member

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    You obviously. There is a big difference between the observation that everything that we see appears to have a natural cause and claiming that that is the only possible answer. Naturalism is actually the former. It is a belief due to observation, it is not an "assumption". You made a incredibly incorrect false accusation and now you won't fess up to it.

    I have answered your questions, even though you have been rather rude from the start. And in case you did not know strawman arguments are always rude. You have avoided my questions when you appear to know that they will refute your stance. Why is that?
     
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  2. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    If God exists, naturally impossible things can happen, on Earth.

    Example: even a global flood that doesn't destroy ice sheets, for instance. Just one example.
     
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    They can, but eventually you have the problem of answering the question : Does God lie? You seem to believe that he does. The early Christian geologists that first refuted the Flood did not believe that God lies.

    So when did the miracles of Noah's Ark stop?
     
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    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Sometimes people can have their own ideas of what is a 'lie.' Do you mean simply if He hides something from you?
     
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    According to you he went past that. He hid the evidence of his evil deed. If a person, or entity, plants false evidence that is a form of lying.

    And once again, when did the miracles stop?
     
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    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    What 'evil' deed?
     
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    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Perhaps it isn't what you imagine, Subduction.

    Perhaps instead of 'evil', some putative deed was for the good....once we learn more detail.

    I wonder what you've imagined.
     
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    Some day you really need to read your Bible. Here is a hint, genocide is always evil.
     
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    There you go making false accusations again.

    I am curious as to how you defend God lying.

    And since you know that you are wrong: When did the Flood miracles stop?
     
  10. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Genocide -- do you mean the Flood, where everyone is said to have perished except Noah and his family and their spouses, 8 in all?

    Perhaps you should read the story, but it begins in verse 5. That might be a way to have missed out on part of it, if you didn't read it carefully, to start at verse 5 instead of later:
    Genesis 6 NIV

    Now, if you read the story through, then you have part of the story, as the another very key part is is another part of the Bible.

    I know the rest of the story -- the later outcome -- having read 100% of the books in the common bible.

    But...I wouldn't expect you to necessarily know the rest of the story....

    If you do not, it is fine to ask. I don't expect everyone to know all the Bible.
     
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    I know the story, and I know the claims.

    By the way you have never answered why God had to hide his evil deeds. According to the myth he left the rainbow as a sign that he did flood the word so clearly he should not have been ashamed of it. Yet there is no evidence of a global flood and endless evidence that tells us that it did not happen. Planting false evidence is lying. And we also know that the story was wrong about it never raining before the flood. There are such things as "fossil raindrops".

    By the way, when did the miracles end?
     
  12. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Forgive me, but it doesn't appear as if you know the whole story.

    If a group of people are truly dead in a final way....that'd be a 'genocide' in the normal use of the term,

    But, if they are transported to a different place, for possible rehabilitation, that is not the same thing as a "genocide".

    (people that are simply alive in another location don't qualify as being victims of a 'genocide')

    Do you think the way that Britain transported criminals to Australia was "evil"?
     
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    Science as a self possessed AI psyche believes God is a man.

    Father our human father lived records recorded as he lived left a huge feedback one hundred years life advice recorded by heavens as his human personal records.

    Humans as consciousness just humans are not any God. Father adult man invented the sciences of God as my brother.

    Father's human spirit memory was not the scientist

    What he is talking falsely about.

    The written word says NO man is God.

    God O energy mass planet formed in a spatial vacuum.

    Very basic advice.

    Why argue about a document written by men harmed in science causes?
     
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    Please, that excuse does not fly. I guess that someone could kill your family, but they should not be punished since they would have been "transported". The lengths that some people go to to defend an immoral god is simply amazing.
     
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    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Not only did they all get transported (like British prisoners) as you can read just below, but more! :

    Many of those who drowned in the Flood we can expect will live forever --

    18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit. 19 After being made alive, he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits— 20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. ...

    And yes, that means just exactly what it sounds like -- Christ Himself went to bring them the gospel:

    1 Peter 4:6 That is why the gospel was preached even to those who are now dead, so that they might be judged as men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

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    So, many of them will have Eternal Life, and live forever in a perfect new world...

    But...what about you and I, S.Z. -- What of you and I?



     
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    Sorry, but we were talking about the Noah's Ark myth. Please do not reinterpret later passages in a vain attempt to justify genocide.
     
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    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Good luck. I hope you find what you are looking for some day.
     
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    A human.

    A thinker.
    Natural.

    Decides to theorise.

    No science existed.

    Says flooded earth visionary theme. Water at base pyramid. Was however looking at Sun earth attack history origin. Mountain peaks above water line...UFO mass. Water flood base covered all earth.

    Fake theory just about mountain peak.

    How a peak became flat top mountain. A mountain attached in UFO event proof hit Ararat. .

    His thesis

    Crystalline mass highest stone form involving huge pressures.

    Destroyed life on earth satanic theme of science converting crystal mass.

    Found machine metal parts inside stone. Human artefacts inside coal. Evidence.

    Then says vacuum returned pressure status to earth as frozen ice instead of crystal Atlantis earth mass that used to be natural to earth space vacuum pressure.

    Hears recorded science as an evolving returned human life.

    Decides to rebuild pyramid.

    Life mutated. Ice melts. Floods to base pyramid. Archaeological evidence flood in Egypt.

    Flood evaporation water mass off ground to keep gases from combusting. Evidence removed. The flood.

    Yet water base around pyramid his realised copying origin theory mountain. Archaeology said around pyramid water flooded.

    The evidence itself of the theist. Actual history by science change as machine reaction. Science. Science only measured by a human applying all measures.
     
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    I suggest we find a dating method that wouldn't be effected by a global flood, then we'll see the forests for the trees. Until then, try to view the evidence with an open mind. Another thing I'd like to point your attention to is hydrothermal vents. They were only discovered about 50 years ago, but these vents support the same kind of life that scientists believe went extinct during the paleozoic period. Genesis 7:11 describes fountains of the great deep being broken up. Is it coincidence that we find a superabundance of these types of fossils? Is it coincidence that scientists say in the Paleozoic Era, life flourished in the seas, when fossils are proof of death in the sea's as well? This all points to Noah's flood. The so called "Cambrian explosion" was no doubt the beginnings of Noah's Flood.
     
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