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Featured The mistake of interpreting holy books literally.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Subduction Zone, Jan 28, 2021.

  1. Subduction Zone

    Subduction Zone Veteran Member

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    Perhaps. I could link him where Job asks God what gives him the right and God launches into his "Were you there when I . . . " diatribe. Which of course was not an answer, but it was an example of the "I made you therefore I can kill you" beliefs of the Bible. I thought that a supposed student of the Bible would know that without a link.
     
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    You have no evidence.

    You really lose it pretty easy. You have a good day.
     
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    I am still smiling and shaking my head over this.

    You have to appreciate the absurdity of your position, but clearly you cannot see it.
     
  4. Wrangler

    Wrangler Ask And You Will Receive

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    Not sure how you connect the dots between my post about non-literal interpretation of Scripture to what my personal experiences are?
     
  5. Subduction Zone

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    The first sentence from your post.
     
  6. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    About whether 'miracles' can happen at all, ever, I thought those were only imagination. But I learned otherwise first hand. I'd not expect anyone to believe that 2nd hand, myself, but I'd suggest they try what Christ said to do instead, for themselves.

    Oh, God is definitely everywhere and evidence on a subtle level around us....Yes. But...not an easy obvious proof no one could deny. (as the latter would preclude/obviate 'faith')
     
  7. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Ah, I'm still not getting it across that well yet. I'm meaning to point out why atheists arguments against the contents of the common bible are illogical whenever they use any premise of any form that is a form/transform of a premise of God not existing. (such as the common premise that death of this mortal body is a real death (not just a sleep from which all awaken), which quickly would imply that God is murdering, and so on, 'genocide' for instance; actually post #200 is a perfect example above)
     
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  8. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    I can see that I need to lay out what I'm saying in a more clear way. Thanks for your reply.
     
  9. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Well, since the Flood story you and Subduction were discussing is from the common bible, which same collection also tells us later that those that drowned in the Flood are not exactly dead -- but simply transported (a word I think fits well) -- still in existence: 1rst Peter 3:18-20....

    Still alive basically.

    Then....well, it's not a "genocide" (as Subduction claimed).

    Not really.

    If someone claimed Stan killed Maggie, but then later we learn that Maggie is just living in Australia now...

    Well, she's not dead.

    These types of illogical premises atheists use when discussing the bible we should not let slide by I'm realizing.
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    and a documentary I saw years ago....noted
    many countries have a flood story in their own version
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    magical?....did you say

    more like...the Creator of reality
    master chemist
     
  12. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    Yes. Some thoughts: we know that a lot of big floods happen, and of course it makes sense there will be some once in 10,000 year floods (as you may be guessing I think the story is parable mostly. but....of course in a large flood it would be to the narrators that all the 'world' they knew flooded, even all that could be seen out to the far horizon, i.e. hills and all). That a lot of cultures/nations use a similar story does tend to suggest some thing that is substantive though (even an atheist could see that stories/accounts/myths that get repeated are repeated because they are either meaningful or valuable; in other words recurrence strongly suggests about any motif that there is more to it than only a random story). Any case, I see the story as having value primarily in its parable side. It starts off for instance telling us something dramatic and far reaching about the human condition.
     
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    Common sense.

    Humans are the highest consciousness making all claims.

    Reason apes biological closest form don't speak.

    Hearing speaking...only humans speak origin of.

    Recorded speech...atmosphere by machine human controlled records speech. Transmits speech.

    When no status existed nor did consciousness.

    Consciousness only expressed in an owned human form after a bio ape.

    Common sense. What we all own first.

    Stories are only told by........a Human thinking who writes as a record what they believe.

    Stories do not own the statements being discussed. As information is written after the fact.

    Flood for example happens and happened. So it owns two premises. Natural history and then modern day cause.

    Comparison is therefore involved to discuss advice.

    Past is therefore one premise.

    Comparing information today to the past a second premise as a warning.
     
  14. Subduction Zone

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    Yes, flood myths are common among areas that lie on navigable water that flood. Who woulda thunk it?
     
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    No, the flood myth is a magic story. And like all magic it dies in the face of reality.
     
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    the story may have died for YOUR reality

    but the story won't die

    you can't kill it
     
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    I didn't try to kill the story. It is still there. It may even have a legitimate lesson to teach. But it is still a story and that is all. It did not happen in real life. It is like the Ant and the Grasshopper. Knowing that that is just a story does not kill it either.
     
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    I wasn't making a literal case with a metaphorical expression, I was explaining the meaning of a word to you from the source language. The devil can inspire people to say foolish things, you can feel inspired to express yourself through art or vocal song, but when God inspires, it is filled with His Spirit, perfect.

    Jesus is God. He breathed God's air while on Earth and is today still in His resurrection body, if you want to be excessively literal in your understanding.
     
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    Or not. He may have never existed. You seem to have forgotten that I am the one opposing literalism where it does not belong. You used literalistic logic to try to argue against me and failed as a result.
     
  20. halbhh

    halbhh The wonder and awe of "all things".

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    ah, I'm noticing something else.

    Where many do oppose literalism when it is simply mistaken ...it's looking to me that you are instead 'opposing literalism' as only opportunity to repeat ideological premises/assumptions, regardless of whether they are irrelevant to the text -- oblivious to the sometimes very obvious interesting meanings/messages about life in the text.

    In other words, it's starting to seem that you don't care at all what the text says/means in terms of its messages about life.

    That's why I think you may as well have simply said, "By golly, there are no miracles ever!"



     
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