The Missing Passover

[lockyfan]

Keep in mind that Luke is talking about the Jewish Passover.

What other passover is there?

The Jewish leaders would never try to get rid of a Jew who had come to confirm God's Law to the People. Thus, contradiction.

They would if he called them hypocrites (Matthew 23:13-31) Also at Matthew 23:1-4 he describes how they say "do as i say not as I do"when they should be practicing what they preach. Also he says that they load people with heavy burdens but dont then also load themselves with burdens.

He was speaking against them, because they were doing the wrong thing, thus they would want to get rid of him. To Kill him, because he was against them not with them.

Therefore NOT a contradiction.

Interesting that in Judas, Satan wuld rush Jesus to the cross. In Peter, he would try to prevent Jesus' death. Thus, contradiction.

I think you were missing the point of both those scriptures. Satan was trying to Kill jesus right from the time that the star was put above him so the "Wise men" or Astrologers as they actualy are, were able to follow and lead Herod who wanted Jesus dead to Jesus to kill him.

Also please quote the scriptures you are refering to, in regards to Peter saving Jesus'life.

It was not a contradiction because if it is the case I think you are referring to, yet another test from Satan, in a long line of tests from Satan.

Thus again NOT contradiction.

Judas had not asked for money. The Jews would not volunteer money when they could get something for free. Contradiction.

That is a direct bible scripture. Read a little more carefully and you will find other scriptures that bacvk up the claim that judas was out for money.

like John 12:4-6 for example.

Thus again NOT contradiction

Here, Jesus is being framed by the Pauline mind of the gospel writers to take responsibility for the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology by celebrating the Passover on the 13th of Nisan, when it was impossible in Judaism before the 14th.

Show me the scripture that says that please.

For he was Gods PERFECT son. He stayed that way until death, therefore he would have been doing what Jehovah wanted to the LETTER as he was there in heaven when the law was created.

The gospel writers wrote what they saw and heard, not some strange version, but what was said and done by Christ.

It is not some weird thing tht the passover was "missed"or "changed"it is what Jehovah wanted, because after htis passover the Jews were no longer Gods Chosen people, it was spiritual israel not physical israel who inherits what Jehovah promised. Also At this passover is when the new covenant was created, this is the moment hte heavely hope was created for mankind. And only for 144000 of them the rest have the hope of everlastingl ife on a paradise earth.

Keep in mind that this is no longer the Jewish Passover but the one fabricated by the gospel writers. Replacement Theology.

Can be fabricated if Jesus was there. Remember the bible is Gods inspired word, not that of mans but what God wants us to know, therefore not fabricated by man, unless it is fabricated through later translations which it is not.

The Pauline policy of Replacement Theology hit the target. Jesus has been framed. Now, Passover would no longer remind freedom from Egypt but Jesus' New Covenant from his blood.

Framed for what? for doing what he was expected by Jehovah to do? The passover just as the sacrifices to Jehovah were a foreshadowing of what Christ was to do for ALL mankind, not just a certain group of mankind.

Now, you are read to read my thread, "Replacement Theology." And now, because this is the only relilgious thing "Jehovah's Witnesses" do, is the punch line for the joke. What does it mean to a Jew. Have you forgotten, you are answering my thread?

The apostle Paul, in urging Christians to live clean lives, attributes pictorial significance to the Passover. He says: “For, indeed, Christ our passover has been sacrificed.” (1Co 5:7) Here he likens Christ Jesus to the Passover lamb. John the Baptizer pointed to Jesus, saying: “See, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world!” (Joh 1:29) John may have had in mind the Passover lamb, or he could have been thinking of the male sheep that Abraham offered up instead of his own son Isaac or of the male lamb that was offered up upon God’s altar at Jerusalem each morning and evening.—Ge 22:13; Ex 29:38-42.

Certain features of the Passover observance were fulfilled by Jesus. One fulfillment lies in the fact that the blood on the houses in Egypt delivered the firstborn from destruction at the hands of the destroying angel. Paul speaks of anointed Christians as the congregation of the firstborn (Heb 12:23), and of Christ as their deliverer through his blood. (1Th 1:10; Eph 1:7) No bones were to be broken in the Passover lamb. It had been prophesied that none of Jesus’ bones would be broken, and this was fulfilled at his death. (Ps 34:20; Joh 19:36) Thus the Passover kept by the Jews for centuries was one of those things in which the Law provided a shadow of the things to come and pointed to Jesus Christ, “the Lamb of God.”—Heb 10:1; Joh 1:29.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

As many minds, as many indubitable truths.

Three days NT texts 1

Abib 14, Wednesday night and Thursday day = Fifth Day ....

1A) HERE BEGINS the NIGHT and the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Jesus ENTERED IN in “the Kingdom of my Father” (Jesus’ Jonah’s descent to hell) :–
Mk14:12/17; Mt26:17/20; Lk22:7/14; Jn13:1.

1B) HERE BEGINS the MORNING of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
in which Jesus was delivered and crucified :–
Mk15:1/Mt27:1/Lk23:1/Jn19:14

1C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the FIRST of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Jesus DIED and was deserted by all :–
Mk15:37–41; Mk27:50–56; Lk23:44–49; Jn19:28–30


. . . . . .
Abib 15, Thursday night and Friday day = Sixth Day ....

2A) HERE BEGINS the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
the day whereon Joseph WOULD BURY the body of Jesus :–
Mk15:42/Mt27:57, Lk23:50–51, Jn19:31/38.

2B) HERE is the NIGHT of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
wherein Joseph begged the body, and according to the law of the Jews – the passover’s law – undertook and prepared to bury Jesus:–
Mk15:43–46a; Mt27:58–59; Lk23:52–53a; Jn19:31b–40

2C) HERE is the LATE NOON AND MID–AFTERNOON of the SECOND of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
when Joseph and Nicodemus laid the body and closed the tomb; and men and women left for home :–
Mk15:46b–47; Mk27:60–61; Lk23:53b–56a; JN19:41–42


. . . . . . .
Abib 16, Friday night and Saturday day = Seventh Day Sabbath....

3A) HERE BEGINS the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
THAT JESUS WOULD RISE FROM THE DEAD ON :–
Lk23:56b

3B) HERE is the MORNING of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
Pilate ordered a guard “for the third day” :–
Mt27:62–66

3C) HERE is “IN the Sabbath’s Fullness MID–AFTERNOON” of the THIRD of the “three days”, “according to the Scriptures” – the passover–Scriptures :–
First Sheaf Wave Offering Before the LORD :–
Mt28:1–4.

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Abib 17, Saturday night and Sunday day = First Day ....

4A) HERE begins the day AFTER the “three days” (fourth day of the passover season) :–
that Jesus WOULD APPEAR on :–
Mk16:1, “When the Sabbath was past ..... they BOUGHT ....”

4B) HERE is the EVENING of this day,
Jn20:1–10 Mary sees the DOOR STONE was away from the tomb (discovers tomb has been OPENED);

4C) HERE is the NIGHT of this day,
Lk24:1–10 “DEEP(EST) DARKNESS” ––– “women with their spices” and ointments go to salve the body; “they found Him NOT” (discover tomb is EMPTY);
Mk16:2–8 “very early (before) SUN’S RISING” ––– women’s return–visit to ascertain; “they fled terrified and told NO ONE”.

4D) Here is sunrise (‘Sunday’ morning),
Jn20:11f, Mk16:9 “Mary had had stood behind” .... saw the gardener (sunrise); “Risen, early (sunrise) on the First Day, Jesus first APPEARED to Mary ....”
Mt28:5–10 “The angel explained to the (other) women (Mt28:1–4) .... As they went to tell .... Jesus met them” (after sunrise).
Mt28:11–15 Guard to high priests.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

You are correct in assuming that the gospel according to the written words of John the beloved disciple who was the only one of the four authors of the gospels to have walked and talked with Jesus is the only account that is correct. And according to John, the last supper was simply that, the last supper, that Jesus had with his closest friends, before the day of Preparation to the Passover, the day on which the Paschal lambs of which Jesus was the reality, were slaughtered.

Quote... Ben masada...Therefore, Jesus missed the Passover that year.

Wrong Ben, that year, Jesus was the Paschal Lamb who was slaughtered on the day of Preparation to that Passover.

Wonderful!

And you may safely believe no Gospels differ and no Gospel is incorrect.

According to all four Gospels, the Last Supper was the first

“Lord’s Supper” 1Corinthians 11:23 –

“before the Feast” John 13:1

“day of Preparation to the Passover”, John 19:14

“the first day (of passover) on which the Paschal lambs were slaughtered” Mark 14:12,17 Matthew 26:17,20 Luke 22:7,14 John 13:1,30 1Corinthians 11:23 –

“of which Jesus was the reality” (Colossians 2:17).


Thus Jesus instituted the Holy Communion before He died BECAUSE: correct, S-word, AS YOU SAY, “…that year, Jesus was the Paschal Lamb who was slaughtered on the day of Preparation to that Passover". ... BUT, was BURIED, “the day of Preparation…”---‘Preparation’ though: “WHICH (wa)s The Fore-Sabbath that day great day sabbath…” of the passover. Mark 15:42 John 19:31.

Make your own conclusions, I bet they will amount to Thursday Crucified; Friday Buried, Sabbath Resurrected.

Because?

Because Burial was "the selfsame WHOLE DAY BONE-DAY" of the passover, Abib 15, "The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath" -- 'Friday' all day the whole day.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

To this day Jews eat the last supper of the old year in the evening of the fourteenth day of the First Month. They with it introduce the feast of the removal of leaven, 'Bedikat Chametz'.


This was a serious matter from the first. If leaven was found in one's house after the next morning of the fourteenth, he had to be killed. Exodus 12:15c.


The fourteenth and fifteenth days of the First Month was dated "the selfsame day" of the fourteenth before and at the time Israel was brought out of Egypt. In fact, it says "THREE DAYS thick darkness" ONE "day of the LORD" indistinguishable, "day, or, night", Exodus 12:12x14; 13:21,22.

"In THAT DAY... I came forth out of Egypt … THIS IS THAT NIGHT to be solemnly observed”. 13:8,41,42. The LXX even uses “night” in verse 41 for “the selfsame day”.


“It came to pass in the selfsame day…” of first “night”, then “day” “…that the LORD did bring the children of Israel OUT. Exodus 12:51.


There is only one explanation for the fact Israel had to “EAT the FLESH (of the passover sacrifice) in that night—[of] the fourteenth day of the month—and that which remained in the morning—[of] the fourteenth day of the month—had to burn with fire” 12:6,8,10.


The explanation is obvious: In Egypt days were from sunrise to sunrise.


But when Israel had entered into the land God had sworn to them, God’s way for ‘observing’ days was adopted and days became sunset days. Now the passover was killed and leaven was removed on the fourteenth in its day-time; and the lamb was roasted and eaten after sunset in the night of the fifteenth day of the First Month.


“In the night in which our Lord was betrayed”—the night of the fourteenth—He told his disciples to “PREPARE, so that I might eat the passover”.


Now as Fisherman said, “He Himself was the passover lamb which the disciples were figuratively eating.” And He Himself, ATE the Passover of Yahweh by “SUFFERING the pascha” : ‘pascha’=’to SUFFER’.

Jesus WAS the Passover of Yahweh BY AND IN ACT-OF-SUFFERING for the sins of many.


It never is written in the Indicative that Jesus ‘ate the passover’; because He was it by HIS, SUFFERING, of it.


Christ was the Bread which the disciples ate; He was the Passover which laid down his own life by the very same power He would take up his life again “the third day.

 

[Gerhard Ebersoehn]

SWord,
You are correct in assuming that the gospel according to the written words of John the beloved disciple who was the only one of the four authors of the gospels to have walked and talked with Jesus is the only account that is correct. And according to John, the last supper was simply that, the last supper, that Jesus had with his closest friends, before the day of Preparation to the Passover, the day on which the Paschal lambs of which Jesus was the reality, were slaughtered.

Quote... Ben masada...Therefore, Jesus missed the Passover that year.
Wrong Ben, that year, Jesus was the Paschal Lamb who was slaughtered on the day of Preparation to that Passover.


I cannot see where I have to differ with you ... absolutely nothing!

I am just not sure about the Scriptures you have in mind.

 

[Avi1001]

I cannot see where I have to differ with you ... absolutely nothing!

I am just not sure about the Scriptures you have in mind.

Oh, no....he necro'd a Ben Masada thread.....this one's gonna be kookier than the "Bone-Day" fiasco...