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Discussion in 'Science and Religion' started by Deeje, Oct 22, 2018.

  1. URAVIP2ME

    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    I saw film footage of a small-scale Ark tossed around in a churning bathtub and No matter how hard the churning was the small Ark did Not capsize. Did you ever make a small-scaled Ark according to Genesis measurements and try to sink it.
     
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    That's a good point about an artist's biography. If someone is familiar with paint mediums, they can tell which the artist uses, without them having to say. They can also learn a lot more details too.
    Otherwise I understand what you are saying.

    What? Speak for yourself. :D

    [​IMG] Dude... I'm looking at you like... [​IMG]

    Did you grow up a bit spoiled, would you say? :D
    You answered it though. It has to do with how we are raised.
    However, sometimes we don't realize how much it means to someone, when we not only express our gratitude, but the way we do it means so much to them. How we show our gratitude, as you said, in the way we use the gift, is very important.

    I understand what you are saying though. Based on many factors, our upbringing plays a role in our makeup. I can relate to what you are saying, because I probably had a similar upbringing, but I got some new mothers, that taught me a few things about people's feelings, which helped me to see that we all in common appreciate praise, even when we don't show it.
    It's a human thing, I suppose.

    I understand your perspective. It seems you understand mine as well.

    Good question... which I thought I answered. :)
    The art work I presented to you in Workbook B, in this post... How was it done, and how can you tell? Do you use gut feeling? Why, or why not?
    Sorry to put it in question form, but I think it's better you reason on it, so I won't have to go there again.

    You ask some interesting questions - well thought out too.
    Conversation with you is intriguing.

    Yes, I believe the ancient Hebrews of the past knew the God of the Bible - identified as the true God, creator of heavens and earth, and all that is in them.
    The reason I believe, is simple imo.
    - Joshua 23:14
    This is just one verse of hundreds that make this point, and are verified continually.

    Now ask yourself, if someone told you the truth 99 times... When they tell you something the hundredth time, do you have reason to doubt them?
    Not me. This is how it is with my faith.

    The Bible has proven to be practical, and it's advice always works - always, both in past times, and to the present.
    So when people tell me that the ancients wrote things for their time, that don't work for our time, I look at them, then I look at the world, and then look at them like... [​IMG]

    Just as an example, in one nation, we have situations such as these...
    The “Free the Nipple Movement” is a global campaign seeking equality and empowerment for women when it comes to dress code. It emerged as a reaction to the idea that it was socially acceptable for men to appear without a shirt in public, whereas a woman appearing topless in public would be construed as indecent. The states of New York, New Hampshire, Hawaii, Ohio, and Texas have made it legal for both men and women to appear topless in public. The remainder of states consider the exposure of the female nipple to be an act of indecent exposure, putting them in a position where they can be charged with a criminal offense. This appears to be a gendered law that promotes different expectations on how a person is expected to dress when in public. - Dress code - Wikipedia

    The world is divided on many issues, and the problems are huge.
    I don't even want to get into the headaches that are being experience throughout the world, due to the spirit of this world. One of these days, I may well sit and write out a document on these things.
     
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  3. ecco

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    ecco:
    And with no ability to steer and with no propulsion it would have capsized with the first 200 foot wave that hit it.
    And with no ability to steer and with no propulsion it would have opened at the seams with the first 200 foot wave that hit it.
    Which happened first? It really doesn't matter.​

    It's really sad that you would post something so silly. It's really sad that you saw this video and never questioned it.

    When you were a kid, didn't you ever smash toy cars into each other? They just bounce off each other. Real cars do not just bounce off each other when they collide. Don't you understand why the difference?

    You should realize that your post says a lot about your knowledge of even basic scientific principles.
     
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  4. URAVIP2ME

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    Did you ever make a small-scale Ark as per Genesis measurements and see if it can be capsized in a bathtub of churning water _______

    The Ark was Not colliding with another Ark. All it had to do was float.
     
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  5. URAVIP2ME

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    In Scripture, I find Satan challenges all of us at Job 2:4-5.
    Touch our flesh.... ( loose physical health ) and we would Not serve God.
    Both Job and Jesus under very adverse conditions proved Satan a liar and so can we.
    If mankind's reproductive time was cut short we would Not be here.
    The passing of time has allowed for us to be born and think who we would like as Sovereign over us.
    The dead can have a resurrection back to healthy life.
    That is what Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rule over Earth is about.
    Jesus will undo all the damage on Earth that Satan and Adam brought upon us.
    Please note that Revelation 22:2 informs us that mankind on Earth will see the return of Eden's "Tree of Life" on Earth for the purpose for the ' healing ' of earth's nations.
    We are all free to choose if we want to be part of Jesus ' millennium-long day of governing over Earth.
    At that millennial time even 'enemy death' will be No more on Earth as per 1 Corinthians 15:24-26; Isaiah 25:8.
    Just picture how happy that doe-eyed girl and her parents will be at that thousand-year day under Christ.
     
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    Genesis isn't intended as literal history.
     
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    True. I guess its a bit more spiritual than knowledge. Like knowing the artists soul rather than if he used a number two pencil or a mechanical one.

    Haha. I see someone who isnt expecting a thank you more humble when he receive it than one who says thank you because the author expects it. I feel the former is more genuine but, well, not quite universal among most parts of the world, some more pronounced than others.

    Yes and no. Mother told us actions (say chores) says I love you rather than words. So, when we said thank you, she roll her eyes or a similar sentiment but if we helped her with the house or finances, etc, she more grateful.

    I dont know. Does getting tons of christmas persents and watching your parents play with your toys count? I had a funky childhood with its pros and cons.

    But, yeah, my childhood was more: if you dont use it youre not thankful.

    I didnt have the emotion part to much. Its a struggle to figure what people mean with their body language and emotions but I can feel their aura.

    I have to go back and read that post again. It was a long one.

    Yeah, I would not agree with that if I were you (all) too. It would be as if time was in sections and we live in different realms where one eras message poofs from existence at a specific year and time. We still have Pagan concepts in all religions but, well, not many people like the P-Word so. :p
     
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    I was just clarifying the location just for information purposes.

    Yup.

    The range include metallicity. Low metallicity in some stars cause no nova while stars with high content but the same mass do. Population I vs Population II and III stars
     
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    Yeah, of course! Do you really think otherwise? (You are saying you know more about the Bible than Isaac Newton, who read these same words! ) Because you're omitting a lot of other contextual verses, which emphatically show they are metaphorical, filled with hyperbole.
    Like Psalms 104:3, 'God walking on the wings of the wind'

    Psalms 18:10, "soaring on the wings of the wind"

    (Do you really think they thought the wind had literal wings?)

    Job 38:8, "Who shut up the sea behind doors"

    (Do we observe doors in the oceans? Neither did they.)

    I could go on and on. But I'd be accused of a Gish gallop.
    (However, you do it w/ all those Scriptures intending to overwhelm me, and nothing will be said.)

    A lot is written in picturesque language. To assume it should be taken literally, is just that: assumption.

    OTOH, we have this accurate portrayal of the sea, at Job 38:16...."Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
    or walked in the recesses of the deep?"

    Do we observe "springs of the sea"? Yes....once men developed the technology to explore the oceans, they discovered these "springs": hydrothermal vents, but they're springs. How would the writer of Job have known this, thousands of years ago?

    Are "recesses" observed? Yes, the deepest discovered so far is the Mariana Trench. And there are many others!

    How would the writer have known about any recesses?
     
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    Humility is great. [​IMG]

    Sounds like a good mom. [​IMG] Is she still alive?

    Just look at the Spoiler: Workbook B.

    Nuff said.
     
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    It is not a fluke of nature. It has just the right properties that allowed life to evolve on this earth along with the structure of carbon. Lets not forget oxygen essential for life. And humans cannot exist without iron. Oh and nitrogen another vital element for life. Yes water is vital to life yet alone in cannot support life. Yes water is amazing and can by symbolic but there are many elements and molecules needed for life. It is the interaction of the of many elements and molecules so singling out water only makes no sense.
     
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    They did not come about by accident........they came about by natural processes governed by physics.
     
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    Well that just takes my point and reinforces it. Water was here first according to Genesis. And doesn't science infer that life began in some kind of primordial "soup"? I want to know who was the chef? No soup I have ever eaten was an accidental coming together of just the right ingredients.....:shrug:
     
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    What is a "natural process" and who invented the laws that govern the universe? Where did matter and energy come from? What makes them interact? Do you think they just popped up out of nowhere?

    What law do you know that required no lawmaker?

    What thing do you use for a specific purpose that was not the result of some intelligent mind addressing a need for it? Someone had to think up the concept, design the product, test it and then manufacture it.

    I have a computer that I am typing on right now but if I was to tell you that it just appeared by "natural processes" and all the programs I have downloaded required no intelligent mind to invent them and then write a program for them....you'd think I was cracked....:confused:

    There are way too many fortunate co-incidences for creation to be anything but the product of an intelligence way beyond our own.

    Water is just part of the miracle....a very important part.
     
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    Not according to most Creationists. How Old Is the Earth?

    Yes it would be. But anything to make their beliefs right, goes. God lying seems to be one of them. Such a defense of beliefs! Unwilling to look at evidence.
     
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    Did you? A 4 1/2" model would be on a scale of 1:1200. If the ark's hull planks were 12"x24"x100' , your model planks would be .01" x .02" x 1". Each piece would look like a shaving from running a plane over a piece of wood. Does this resemble your video's model construction?


    It was colliding with massive waves.
     
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    Yes, it was.
     
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    Do you ascribe to all of Newton's beliefs or just the ones that reflect your own ideas and beliefs?
    Religious views of Isaac Newton - Wikipedia
    According to most scholars, Newton was Arian, not holding to Trinitarianism. 'In Newton's eyes, worshipping Christ as God was idolatry, to him the fundamental sin'.[23] As well as being antitrinitarian, Newton allegedly rejected the orthodox doctrines of the immortal soul,[9] a personal devil and literal demons.​
     
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  19. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    Ok. Just wondered why you mentioned it.

    Yet still several solar masses required before supernova is possible
     
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    Yes about 20+. Metallicity comes into play between 40 to 90 regarding novas or lack of.
     
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