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The mark of the Beast...?

Tranquil Servant

Was M.I.A for a while
Revelation 13:16-18
16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.
18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[a] That number is 666.


Many have tried to decipher this message or have tried to interpret what theses verses mean (especially on youtube) but consider this...


Revelation 7:3
“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”

Could it be that the mark of the beast won't be just a "mark" but an oath people will have to take to exemplify their dedication and loyalty to the beast. OR it could be both?

Please share your thoughts on what "The Mark of the Beast" could be.
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think it is neither a physical obvious mark nor is it a conscious oath. It is related to the worship of a graven image. But the image is not a physical thing. It means believing a lie.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
The mark of the beast would probably be an idea, from the pov that revelations is a truthful prophecy.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
Here is an excellent article from the 1April 2004 Watchtower article.

Watchtower 1April 2004 said:

Identifying the Wild Beast and Its Mark

DO YOU enjoy solving a mystery? To do so, you look for clues that help you work your way toward the solution. In his inspired Word, God provides the needed clues with regard to the number 666, the name, or mark, of the wild beast of Revelation chapter 13.
In this article, we will look at four main lines of reasoning—vital clues—that will reveal the meaning of the mark of the beast. We will consider (1) how Bible names are sometimes chosen, (2) the identity of the wild beast, (3) what is meant by 666 being “a man’s number,” and (4) the significance of the number 6 and why it is written in triple digits, namely, 600 plus 60 plus 6, or 666.—Revelation 13:18.

Bible Names—More Than Just Labels
Bible names often have special significance, particularly when given by God. For example, because Abram would become the father of nations, God changed the patriarch’s name to Abraham, meaning “Father of a Multitude.” (Genesis 17:5, footnote) God told Joseph and Mary to call Mary’s future child Jesus, which means “Jehovah Is Salvation.” (Matthew 1:21, footnote; Luke 1:31) In harmony with that meaningful name, through Jesus’ ministry and sacrificial death, Jehovah made possible our salvation.—John 3:16.
Accordingly, the God-given number-name 666 must symbolize what God sees as defining attributes of the beast. Naturally, to understand those traits, we need to identify the beast itself and learn about its activities.

The Beast Exposed
The Bible book of Daniel sheds much light on the meaning of symbolic beasts. Chapter 7 contains a vivid tableau of “four huge beasts”—a lion, a bear, a leopard, and a fearsome beast with big teeth of iron. (Daniel 7:2-7) Daniel tells us that these beasts represent “kings,” or political kingdoms, that rule in succession over vast empires.—Daniel 7:17, 23.
Regarding the beast of Revelation 13:1, 2, The Interpreter’s Dictionary of the Bible points out that it “combines in itself the joint characteristics of the four beasts of Daniel’s vision . . . Accordingly, this first beast [of Revelation] represents the combined forces of all political rule opposed to God in the world.” This observation is affirmed by Revelation 13:7, which says of the beast: “Authority was given it over every tribe and people and tongue and nation.”
Why does the Bible use beasts as symbols of human rulership? For at least two reasons. First, because of the beastly record of bloodshed that governments have accrued over the centuries. “War is one of the constants of history,” wrote historians Will and Ariel Durant, “and has not diminished with civilization or democracy.” How true that “man has dominated man to his injury”! (Ecclesiastes 8:9) The second reason is that “the dragon [Satan] gave to the beast its power and its throne and great authority.” (Revelation 12:9; 13:2) Accordingly, human rulership is a product of the Devil, thus reflecting his beastly, dragonlike disposition.—John 8:44; Ephesians 6:12.
This does not mean, however, that every human ruler is a direct tool of Satan. Indeed, in one sense, human governments serve as “God’s minister,” giving structure to human society, without which chaos would rule. And some leaders have protected fundamental human rights, including the right to engage in true worship—something that Satan does not want. (Romans 13:3, 4; Ezra 7:11-27; Acts 13:7) Still, because of the Devil’s influence, no human or human institution has ever been able to bring lasting peace and security to the people.—John 12:31.

“A Human Number”

A third clue to the meaning of 666 lies in its being “a man’s number,” or as The Amplified Bible puts it, “a human number.” This expression could not refer to an individual human, for Satan—not any man—has authority over the beast. (Luke 4:5, 6; 1 John 5:19; Revelation 13:2, 18) Rather, the beast’s having “a human number,” or mark, suggests that it is a human entity, not spirit or demon, and that it therefore manifests certain human traits. What might they be? The Bible answers, saying: “All [humans] have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” (Romans 3:23) The beast’s having “a human number,” therefore, indicates that governments reflect the fallen human condition, the mark of sin and imperfection.
History bears this out. “Every civilization that has ever existed has ultimately collapsed,” said former U.S. Secretary of State Henry Kissinger. “History is a tale of efforts that failed, of aspirations that weren’t realized . . . So, as a historian, one has to live with a sense of the inevitability of tragedy.” Kissinger’s honest appraisal testifies to this fundamental Bible truth: “To earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step.”—Jeremiah 10:23.
Now that we have identified the beast and discerned how God views it, we are in a position to examine the final part of our puzzle—the number six and why it is written in triple digits—that is, 666, or 600 plus 60 plus 6.

Six Repeated Three Times—Why?

In the Scriptures, certain numbers have symbolic significance. The number seven, for example, is often used to symbolize that which is complete, or perfect, in God’s eyes. For instance, God’s creative week comprises seven ‘days,’ or extended time periods, during which God completely accomplishes his creative purpose regarding the earth. (Genesis 1:3–2:3) God’s “sayings” are like silver that has been “clarified seven times,” thus perfectly refined. (Psalm 12:6; Proverbs 30:5, 6) The leper Naaman was told to bathe seven times in the Jordan River, after which he was completely healed.—2 Kings 5:10, 14.
Six is one short of seven. Would it not be a fitting symbol of something imperfect, or defective, in God’s eyes? Yes, indeed! (1 Chronicles 20:6, 7) Moreover, six repeated three times, as 666, powerfully stresses that imperfection. That this is the correct view is supported by the fact that 666 is “a human number,” as we have considered. Thus, the beast’s record, its “human number,” and the number 666 itself all point to one unmistakable conclusion—gross shortcoming and failure in the eyes of Jehovah.
The portrayal of the beast’s deficiencies calls to mind what was said about King Belshazzar of ancient Babylon. Through Daniel, Jehovah said to that ruler: “You have been weighed in the balances and have been found deficient.” That very night Belshazzar was killed, and the mighty Babylonian Empire fell. (Daniel 5:27, 30) Likewise, God’s judgment of the political beast and of those with its mark spells the end of that entity and its supporters. In this instance, however, God will eradicate not just one political system but every vestige of human rule. (Daniel 2:44; Revelation 19:19, 20) How important, therefore, that we avoid having the deadly mark of the beast!

The Mark Identified

Immediately after disclosing the number 666, Revelation mentions 144,000 followers of the Lamb, Jesus Christ, who have his name and the name of his Father, Jehovah, written on their foreheads. These names identify the bearers as belonging to Jehovah and to his Son, about whom they proudly bear witness. Likewise, those having the mark of the beast proclaim their servitude to the beast. Thus, the mark, whether on the right hand or on the forehead, figuratively speaking, is a symbol that identifies its bearer as one who gives worshipful support to the beastlike political systems of the world. Those having the mark give to “Caesar” that which rightly belongs to God. (Luke 20:25; Revelation 13:4, 8; 14:1) How? By giving worshipful honor to the political state, its symbols, and its military might, to which they look for hope and salvation. Any worship that they render the true God is merely lip service.
In contrast, the Bible urges us: “Do not put your trust in nobles, nor in the son of earthling man, to whom no salvation belongs. His spirit goes out, he goes back to his ground; in that day his thoughts do perish.” (Psalm 146:3, 4) Those who heed that wise counsel are not disillusioned when governments fail to deliver on their promises or when charismatic leaders fall from grace.—Proverbs 1:33.
This does not mean that true Christians sit back and do nothing about mankind’s plight. On the contrary, they actively proclaim the one government that will solve mankind’s problems—God’s Kingdom, which they represent.—Matthew 24:14.
God’s Kingdom—Mankind’s Only Hope
When on earth, Jesus made God’s Kingdom the main theme of his preaching. (Luke 4:43) In his model prayer, sometimes called the Lord’s Prayer, Jesus taught his followers to pray for that Kingdom to come and for God’s will to be done here on earth. (Matthew 6:9, 10) The Kingdom is a government that will rule over the entire earth, not from some earthly capital, but from heaven. Hence, Jesus called it “the kingdom of the heavens.”—Matthew 11:12.
Who is better suited to be King of that Kingdom than Jesus Christ, the one who died for his future subjects? (Isaiah 9:6, 7; John 3:16) Soon this perfect Ruler, now a mighty spirit person, will hurl the beast, its kings, and its armies into “the fiery lake that burns with sulphur,” a symbol of complete destruction. But that is not all. Jesus will also get rid of Satan, something that no human could ever do.—Revelation 11:15; 19:16, 19-21; 20:2, 10.
God’s Kingdom will bring peace to all its obedient subjects. (Psalm 37:11, 29; 46:8, 9) Even sorrow, pain, and death will be no more. What a glorious prospect for those who remain free of the mark of the beast!—Revelation 21:3, 4.
 
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Thief

Rogue Theologian
When doing comparisons one type of bible to another I noticed subtle, yet important variations.

In one book....the number of a man....666.
In another book....the number of a CERTAIN man.....666.

I then considered the number as a ratio.
Two thirds of Man....still thinking and behaving like an animal.
Going forth to dominate all things...as unto his fellowman.
Still driven by the needs and desire of flesh.

Marked upon the hand and forehead?
Physically possible nowadays.
Small implants are now used on our animals.

My dog has one and her location can be traced.....
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Does the bible say it's .666 with a decimal, Thief?
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Six could stand for ascension. Five is man for obvious reasons, seven is divinity / enlightenment, perhaps six is the journey from manhood to godhood? It's obvious the God in question puts quite a bit of effort in keeping humanity down under the boot, maybe it's just propaganda.
 

1137

Here until I storm off again
Premium Member
Isn't 666 not even the number anymore? It's like 616 or something.

EDIT: Haha he beat me.
 

InChrist

Free4ever
I believe the mark of the beast will be an identification number related to the global financial system which will be established by the world leader (aka Antichrist) during the tribulation period. It will be compulsory for everyone to receive a microchip, implanted in their right hand or on their forehead containing personal financial data, in order to make financial transactions, or buy and sell, as the scriptures say. Along with being required to have this identification number for any financial activity, everyone who receives the microchip number will also have to acknowledge the Antichrist as the supreme authority and pledge their allegiance to him.
 

johnhanks

Well-Known Member
Here is an excellent article from the 1April 2004 Watchtower article.

Six Repeated Three Times—Why?
It's worth noting that the Book of Revelation predates by several centuries the widespread adoption of Arabic numerals and the place system. To the author of Revelation 13:18 (a citizen of the Roman Empire), six hundred and sixty-six would have been written DCLXVI, not as "Six Repeated Three Times".
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
It's worth noting that the Book of Revelation predates by several centuries the widespread adoption of Arabic numerals and the place system. To the author of Revelation 13:18 (a citizen of the Roman Empire), six hundred and sixty-six would have been written DCLXVI, not as "Six Repeated Three Times".

the book written in Greek, not latin. Thats why the NT is also called the 'Greek Scriptures'
 

johnhanks

Well-Known Member
the book written in Greek, not latin. Thats why the NT is also called the 'Greek Scriptures'
True, but he still wouldn't have written "Six Repeated Three Times". Using the Greek number system he would have written chi-xi-digamma; only the last symbol would have represented six.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
So, we're going to ignore the evidence that suggests it refers to Nero.

Okay.

why do you think it applies to Nero?

Normally, a prophecy would refer to 'future' people or events.... but Nero died 40 odd years before Revelation was even written....so what makes you think its about Nero?
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic ☿
Premium Member
It's worth noting that the Book of Revelation predates by several centuries the widespread adoption of Arabic numerals and the place system. To the author of Revelation 13:18 (a citizen of the Roman Empire), six hundred and sixty-six would have been written DCLXVI, not as "Six Repeated Three Times".
Actually, it was written in Greek, not Roman numerals. chi-xi-stigma. χξϚ

Blue Letter Bible - Lexicon
 
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