I kind of feel that it reads more as a reflection of certain types of opinions more than a truly objective overview. I think that that is counter to Luciferianism which is about truth, which is perfect and unbiased and so any description should likewise reflect that value.
Honestly I think we could just quote something like wikipedia or whatever and it work just as well assuming the article is well written enough. The problem with DIR descriptions is that they tend to either be from a singular source, from a specific viewpoint (and thus biased) or a copy of something like wikipedia. You'd basically need someone who's a scholar to properly write an overview that was accurate, detailed and defined in a "nonpartisan" way so to speak that didn't give favor in terms of credibility towards one interpretation or another.
The overview was made by me as a Luciferian, involving the Luciferian DIR as a whole.
http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/overview.137080/
This is someone simply being pissy about a rule violation, there's no merit to changing or erasing it.
I read/skimmed that entire topic. It's mostly you and one guy talking about it, then you arguing with someone else. There didn't seem to be a total consensus even now as we see here.
As a Luciferian I am sure that you value truth above all else, and could see that anyone in your shoes would be very prone to bias considering that they wrote the overview.
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A breakdown where I disagree with it and why I think it needs to be rewritten... I actually don't think it reflects the best on Luciferianism. Though I also point out where I agree.
- Lucifer, light-bearer, is a title that can be earned
Nitpick but I'd say it's given, not earned. This is more of a word choice issue than one about deserving something.
This path is individualistic and not dogmatic.
Individuals tend to be dogmatic in their perceptions.
However, even if Lucifer is seen as a specific being, worshiping or dedicating yourself to this God is logically not Luciferian in nature,
This makes no sense and flies in the face of centuries of Luciferianism. It also goes against many modern day interpretations. So not an unbiased statement.
as the path is one of individuality and personal freedom.
What does freedom have to do with Luciferianism?
Honoring, communicating with, invoking this being, whether Lucifer be a title or a name, is up to the individual practitioner.
True.
- The quest for knowledge is essential to the path. All knowledge that can be gained is good, but the rejection of false knowledge and acceptance of factual knowledge also is important. To believe that the earth is flat despite the objective fact it is not is logically not to commit to knowledge / light-bearing. It should be noted that knowledge includes knowledge of self.
Okay, starting to agree here.
- Luciferian is more basic than atheistic, theistic, gnostic, deistic, polytheistic, etc etc etc. Anyone can be a Luciferian if they wish to be,
Right, since know(ledge)ing of this subject is currently impossible only conjecture/hypothetical.
and the existence of God is neither an objectively true or false fact, so there is no logical contradiction in believing either way.
What does that even mean? Fact is not dictated by knowledge.
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Truth over comfort is obviously important, as the concept of lucifer is light-bearer. If a fact contradicts your beliefs, to amend your beliefs is logically the Luciferian thing to do whereas accepting a false believe is not to commit to truth.
No one really ever believes that they have accepted a false belief. And invoking "facts" isn't exactly a good way to correct incorrect perception. It kind of reads like a weird religion of pseudo-skepticism when worded like this.
- The Luciferian path is primarily Left-Hand Path,
I'd add that that's mostly a modern thing. Historically it was Right Hand Path if we want to go by the common parlance in occult circles but technically most Luciferians don't use the LHP/RHP labels SFAIK unless they incorporate the LHP from other religions.
and is open to all magic(k), occultism, etc etc etc. It is an individualistic path, and there is nothing a Luciferian must do or is not allowed to do. The "criteria" for the title is simply logical.
This actually is illogical in the formal sense. IF there is nothing a Luciferian must or must not do then that contradicts a lot of the earlier post that says Lucifierans should/must amend beliefs to fit 'facts'. It also doesn't specify why the title is "simply logical" it just makes the statement without any explanation of what that actually means.
- Nobody has more of a "right" to the title than any others, it is simply based on reason.
if the title is based on reason, and someone used that title in a way that contradicted reason, it would follow or at least imply that the former had more of a "right" than the latter.
- The ability to use mythology and symbolism effectively and learn from it while still being able to recognize it is not actually true is an important aspect of the Luciferian path.
Unless you are a theistic Luciferian who actually believes in the mythos or some variant there of like at least one member that comes to mind (not me, mind you).
- The Luciferian does not need to wear their label on their sleeve, nor seek approval.
I don't see too much issue with the former so long as doesn't dominate their personality but I agree the latter is better but a lot of occultists say stuff like that so it rings kind of hallow.
It is a personal commitment and nobody needs to know. (This is more in life than the forum. )
But if Luciferianism is about truth, why would a light bearer, a truth bearer, hide the truth?
- While a Luciferian does not necessarily need to be a teacher and share their knowledge, part the the logical criteria is they must be a student and take in knowledge.
Because Lucifer, Prometheus, The Buddha, Jesus or anyone else totally didn't share their knowledge
with all of mankind. (sarcasm)
- For a Luciferian, the quest for knowledge has to come before the ego's desire to be right. In order to learn, one must be willing to be wrong and lose arguments.
I would agree
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- The burden of Knowledge of Self is on the Luciferian, as nobody else can every truly understand who you are. Personal experiences, such as mystical experiences, may validate belief for any individual person,
I'd basically agree, but I think some might see the self as 'unknowable'. But sometimes outside observers *do* know someone better than they know themselves so...
but a Luciferian realizes that personal experience is not objectively valid and is not a usable premise in the argument for any objective truth.
But it's objectively true that that is their personal truth right? Or at least evidence of it?
- Everyone wishes to think they are on the quest for factual knowledge, even if they knowingly reject accepted fact to do so.
"Accepted fact" is subject to the perception of the masses which is not necessarily reflective of reality. If facts are objectively true and accepted, there is no quest to be had; all the answers would be laid out to bear before the would-be Luciferian.
This perception is irrelevant. Factual knowledge is not dependent on how one feels, only what is actually true.
What is actually true can only be known accurately but not absolutely through flawed perception (many religions see to break this flawed perception and have perfect perception, some that are Luciferian and some that are not).
- Fideism is a direct contradiction of the Luciferian path.
I would agree.
- The Luciferian accepts that objective truths exist and that there is reality external of the mind, even though we perceive that reality and those truths subjectively.
This kind of explicit statement contradicts the earlier one that no Luciferian has to do or not do anything. Also, I would agree that the Luciferian should accept that objectively true truth exists, but nothing in that requires for a duality of the mind and reality. Nothing in Luciferianism either past or modern actually requires that other than apparently some path that some posters seem to follow. At the very least it's one interpretation that isn't reflective of all Luciferians. I would agree however that we do perceive reality and truth subjectively, which is where the Luciferian quest for making that more accurate comes in.
