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I see it is Prophecy and a Promise.

I also see it has been fulfilled and unfolding.

Regards Tony

 

Reading Scripture is not taking the name of God in vain. And certainly the name for God used in synagogues is not Jehovah. Taking God's name in vain would be having older pairs of woman going in what they think is God's name, house to house selling tracts, and not really having a grasp on what the kingdom of God is, nor having the power of the kingdom of heaven. The shortest synopsis of the kingdom of God is Daniel 2:34-35, and another very short synopsis of the kingdom of God is Joel 3. All having to do with the judgment of God, and the healing of Jacob (Judah and Ephraim) (Hosea 5 & 6:1-2). The long version is the Law and the prophets. As for the English version of YHWH, as shown in Exodus 3:14, is "I am".

Exodus 3:14 God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” 15God, furthermore, said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.’ This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

 

And who are these workers of lawlessness? Are you under the Law, or has your false prophet released you from the Law (Romans 7:6).

 

Hi Deeje. Thank you for sharing your views. First I always admire the JW for the work they do and whenever I meet them I invite them in to share their beliefs with us. This is just my understanding and I always believe love comes above ‘winning an argument’ so I respect your views and am not in competition with you just sharing the ‘little’ I know.

The Jews too were awaiting a worldly king seated on the throne of David but when these events did not actually come to pass outwardly with Jesus they rejected and crucified Him accusing Him of being an imposter, no king but the son of a carpenter and one who broke the laws of Moses.

Had they looked tiwards the light of God within Jesus they surely would have embraced and followed Him. As it turned out He only had a handful of followers and it took centuries before His influence was established worldwide by His followers.

Christ’s ascendancy was not instant or immediate but slow and gradual. But even though He has influenced the entire world, the Jewish Community still ask ‘when will our messiah appear’?

They missed seeing the truth of Jesus we believe because they misread the signs and still do, so still await an earthly king seated on the throne of God to appear and that wolves will lie down together with sheep.

Had they reflected on the fact God is spirit they might not have judged Jesus by worldly standards but looked at His spiritual might that He was born of the Holy Spirit.

So the Christians looked at Jesus with their inner eyes and ears and saw His true reality by not interpreting the signs all literally.

Baha’is accept Jesus as the Son of God because we see the inner light of God within Him and that He was born of the Holy Spirit.

With Baha’u’llah, Baha’is see in Him the fulfillment of the promises made by Jesus that He would return in the same manner that Christians accepted Jesus the first time, by looking at His inward light and reality for Jesus did not appear on a throne but as the son of a carpenter.

The Bible does not say every eye shall see Him instantly or immediately. Jesus influence was gradual over many centuries.

Suffering and wars will disappear with the appearance of Baha’u’llah but the Bible does not say instantly. So we are now building the Kingdom of God on earth and it’s light will shine brighter with time just as it did with Jesus.

Baha’u’llah means ‘glory of god’ in English. He wrote a Tablet addressed to Christians where He asks Bethlehem:

O Bethlehem! This Light hath risen in the orient, and traveled towards the occident, until it reached thee in the evening of its life. Tell Me then: Do the sons recognize the Father, and acknowledge Him, or do they deny Him, even as the people aforetime denied Him (Jesus)?” Whereupon she cried out saying: “Thou art, in truth, the All-Knowing, the Best-Informed.” Verily, We behold all created things moved to bear witness unto Us. Some know Us and bear witness, while the majority bear witness, yet know Us not. (Baha’u’llah)

 

Solomom in the bible says "the highest heavens cannot contain you, how much less this temple"

 

I remember when the prayer, over the loud speaker, in public schools and the doxology which the Protestants included and the Catholics at that point were silent until the Amen.
What must be considered is the form of the prayer in its liturgical use which precedes the penning of the Gospels and its use within the differing churches and languages, how the ancient form of the prayer evolved.

The Kingdom is now but not yet. It was inaugurated by Jesus but will be realized only in God's time, the reign or rule of God.

 

You have swallowed the false gospel of grace/cross, hook line and sinker. The Law and the prophets have not been fulfilled, and "the heaven and earth have not passed away" (Matthew 5:18). None of Zechariah 14 has been fulfilled. Daniel 2:44-45 has not been fulfilled. Matthew 24:29-50 hasn't been fulfilled, etc. etc.

 

not a bad retort.....but of course...
when I post the notation.....Carpenter
most people turn their thoughts to Him

as for extension.....
I haven't followed any one of congregation
I don't have a mentor.....however

I have often posted.....
the Carpenter is my inspiration

and would you care to comment to the postwork that followed ......36 and 37

 

There is no such thing as "tense" in biblical Hebrew. http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/m.sion/hebrtens.htm

New Living Translation
God replied to Moses, "I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you."

English Standard Version
God said to Moses, “ I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘ I AM has sent me to you.’”

Berean Study Bible
God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

New American Standard Bible
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

King James Bible
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Christian Standard Bible
God replied to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you."

Good News Translation
God said, "I am who I am. You must tell them: 'The one who is called I AM has sent me to you.'

Holman Christian Standard Bible
God replied to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you."

International Standard Version
God replied to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM," and then said, "Tell the Israelis: 'I AM sent me to you.'"

NET Bible
God said to Moses, "I am that I am." And he said, "You must say this to the Israelites, 'I am has sent me to you.'"

New Heart English Bible
And God said to Moses, "I AM THAT I AM," and he said, "You shall tell the children of Israel this: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

GOD'S WORD® Translation
God answered Moses, "I Am Who I Am. This is what you must say to the people of Israel: 'I Am has sent me to you.'"

JPS Tanakh 1917
And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM'; and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.'

 

I don't think that the historical Yeshua ever spoke the Lord's prayer. Like many parts of the texts of Matthew and Luke, the authors have mixed older texts with their own writings and they were not afraid to heavily edit the older texts that they worked into their newly created gospels.

A part of what is now called "The Lord's Prayer" originated in the text of Q-lite.
Q-lite is a Tantric text i.e. it consists of spiritual wisdom or instructions mixed with other practical instructions for the followers in the original mission.
So the parts of Q-lite that ended up in the Christian Lord's Prayer must have had this Tantric content also.

It is not a part of Tantra to beg God for favours especially for earthly ones nor to tell others (let alone boast) about your spiritual practices such as meditation, fasting or doing social service which should be done in a "hidden" way without investing any ego or doership.
It seems in Q-lite the only prayer that was allowed, is to ask for the Holy Spirit or the Rule of God, i.e. for spiritual enlightenment.

So the original Q-lite saying may have looked something like this:

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Q? / Matthew 6: 3-4, 17-18, 6-8 Sondergut

3 When you do some act of charity, do not let your left hand know 4 what your right hand is doing; your good deed must be secret and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

17 When you fast, anoint your 18 head and wash your face, so that men may not see that you are fasting, but only your Father who sees what is secret will reward you.

6 When you pray, go into a room by yourself, shut the door, and pray to your Father who is there in the secret place; and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.

7 In your prayers do not go babbling on like the heathen who imagine that the more they say, the more likely they 8 are to be heard. Do not imitate them. Your Father knows what your needs are before you ask him.

Q 11: 2 / Luke 11: 2 = Matthew 6: 9-10a, (10b Sondergut)

2a When you pray, say:

2b Beloved Father (Abba),

Let Your Name be hallowed (not in Marcion)*;

Marcion and early Luke prefer: Let Your Holy Spirit come.

Matthew and later Luke prefer: Let Your Rule come.

[-] Let Your Will be done. (not in Marcion or early Luke)

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I find it hard to say whether gMatthew or gMarcion/Luke preserves the original better and in which place they do so or not.
gMatthew has a large part that is missing in gMarcion/Luke (called Sondergut Matthew).
This is left out of most of the different reconstructions of Q, but content-wise it belongs very much to the Tantric ideology of Q-lite and I think that aMarcion/Luke must have had a reason to omit it while copying from Q-lite and aMatthew was not the original author (although he edited it by adding his own stuff).

* a well-known Sanskrit mantra Baba Nama Kevalama has about the same meaning?

 

Yet God will choose sanctified "Israel" for "My sanctuary" "forever". (Ezekiel 37:28). The Spirit of God is like the body snatchers, but he only abides in and among the righteous. The sinners/lawless (1 John 3:4), the wicked, need not apply. "Jerusalem will be holy, and strangers will pass through no more" (Joel 3:17). The "murderers and the idolaters", will remain "outside" the "gate" (Revelation 22:14-15).

 

Anything is possible if we have faith.

Matthew 17:20

Because of your little faith. For truly I say to you, if you have faith as of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move. And nothing will be impossible for you."

 

It is strange that the "Word of God" should be so unfamiliar with you. That is why included chapter and verse.