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Featured "THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by 3rdAngel, Nov 19, 2022.

  1. PruePhillip

    PruePhillip Well-Known Member

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    Sunday is the 'new Sabbath' to Christians because it is the day their Lord rose from the grave, according to the Gospels.
    And Jesus is recorded as meeting with his people three times - each on the Sunday as they gathered.
    So that is where the 'Christian Sabbath' comes from.
     
  2. Subduction Zone

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    That is not my problem. You don't have to believe me. I can site the verse in the Bible where the list in Ex 34 is called the Ten Commandments. Do you think that you can do so for your list?
     
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    No, you only have that false belief. I am not the one that disagrees with the God of the Bible. My arguments are with false beliefs.
     
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    Hi Phillip, nice to meet you. Can you find me a single scripture in all of the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken has now been abolished and Sunday is the new Sabbath? We have all been taught lies at Sunday school. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that says Sunday is the new Sabbath.
     
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    Already answered see post # 81 linked
     
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    Scripture is not false belief. Yes you are the one that disagrees with the bible as already seen in our discussion. Scripture also showing why provided earlier see post # 81 linked. Please forgive me but I do not believe your words denying Gods' Word. I will leave it between you and God to work out and we will agree to disagree.

    Take Care dear friend.
     
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    Just an FYI, abusing the frubals is against the rules here. I also noticed you could not meet a reasonable challenge.

    And I understand. Almost no one likes the list in Exodus 34.
     
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    I checked the link. The verse is not there.
     
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    I don't deny Gods Word. The Bible does not meet the qualifications. Too bad that you have never studied it.
     
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    Romans 14:4 Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5 One person regards a certain day above the others, while someone else considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 He who observes a special day does so to the Lord; he who eats does so to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God.…

    Your protestations make no sense when we read what this passage says.
    You regard the Sabbath as above other days and I regard all days as alike. We both can stand before Christ in this regard and I should not be saying to you to not keep the Sabbath the way you do and you should not be saying to me to keep the Sabbath in a way that meets your approval. We both have approval in this matter from the Lord and what you think of me and my lack of sabbath keeping or what I think of you and your sabbath keeping will not sway what the Lord thinks of us.
    Someone has convinced you that Christians should be keeping the Sabbath, the Bible does not say that. You want me to show you where the Bible says to keep Sunday but you have not shown me where it says that Christians should be keeping the sabbath.
     
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    You will need to forgive me dear friend I do not believe you. As shown from the scripture earlier and the context you disregard Gods' 10 commandments were first spoken by God Himself to His people in Exodus 20:3:17. God then wrote the 10 commandments down on two tables of stone as shown in Exodus 32:16 as a written record. In Exodus 32:19 Moses smashed the two tables of stone that God wrote the 10 commandment on because he was angry with the children of Israel for making idols and worshiping them after God already spoke to them and wrote the 10 commandments down on two tables of stone. Exodus 34:1 tells us that God said to Moses to cut out two new tables of stone and God would re-write the 10 commandments on them. The same 10 commandment spoken by God to His people in Exodus 20:3-17 and the same 10 commandments written with Gods' own finger in Exodus 32:16. God says he will re-write them again after Moses broke them in Exodus 34:1. Follow the scripture contexts your ignoring them and refuse to receive correction.
     
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    It is there you will not see it if you close your eyes to seeing the scripture context though. Re posted again above for your convenience. See post # 111
     
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    God will be our judge come judgement day. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed dear friend.
     
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    Yes, it's called following the Example of Jesus.
    We are not given an account of what Jesus said concerning this, but we know the disciples gathered on the Sunday and Jesus appeared to them. These people were gathering the following Sunday and again Jesus appeared. And on another Sunday as the early church gathered Jesus appeared. So this is why the Christians were meeting on the Sunday.
    If you want to follow the Old Testament that's fine.
     
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    No,read your Bible. You ignored Exodus 19. God did not speak directly to the people in the myth. He told Moses and then he repeated what God said. According to Exodus 34 he was not accurate.
     
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    As posted earlier Romans 14 has nothing, zero, zilch to do with Gods' 4th commandment seventh day Sabbath. To come up with an interpretation that Romans 14 is telling you that God's 4th commandment has been abolished and we can now keep any day of the week is not written in these scripture and in fact you have to read the Sabbath of God's 4th commandment into Romans 14 because it is not present. Romans 14 is about eating and not eating on days that men esteem over other days and judging others in this regard. It is not talking about what days God esteems over other days because it is written in the scriptures the things that men esteem are an abomination to God (see Luke 16:15). Now let me ask you again can you show me a single scripture in all the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken has been abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a holy day of rest? - There is none.

    Take Care.
     
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    Good, then even you should be able to learn the truth about the Bible.
     
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    Jesus and the Apostles kept the Sabbath ....
    • Luke 4:16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
    • Acts 17:2 2, And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures
    Now let me ask you again can you find me a single scripture in all of the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is when broken has now been abolished and Sunday is the new Sabbath? We have all been taught lies at Sunday school. There is not a single scripture in all the bible that says Sunday is the new Sabbath.
     
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    Thank you. I am learning the truth about the bible everyday and pray that you will as well :)
     
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  20. Kenny

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    So true! The person who pulled a sheep out of a hole on a Sabbath does good. As does the medical profession, the fire department, the police department and so many others.

    The point Jesus made was that a day of rest was necessary. Worshipping God and recognizing Him should be a daily affair.

    I understand you position. How many Sabbath's did Abraham observe? Did Adam observe a Sabbath? I don't think so. There is a place where you are continually observing God's Sabbath -- in Christ Jesus.


    Certainly, as the Apostle Paul said, if you do it as unto the Lord you should do it and if you don't you are in sin for what is not of faith is sin.

    The rest is a rest of faith - a continual rest in God.

    John Gill expressed it beautifully when he said "this intends the spiritual rest believers have in Christ under the Gospel dispensation, which they now enter into, and of which the apostle had been treating; and as for the word "remaineth", this does not denote the futurity of it, but the apostle's inference or consequence from what he had said; and the sense is, it remains therefore, and is a certain fact, a clear consequence from what has been observed, that there is another rest distinct from God's rest on the seventh day, and from the rest in the land of Canaan; which were both typical ones of the present rest the saints now enjoy: so the Jews call the world to come the times of the Messiah, (lwdgh tbv) , "the great sabbath" F12.

    If you think about it, on God's 8th day... did He go back to work? No. His rest remained. His point wasn't a 7th day rest but rather an greater rest, a rest in Him in all things and through all things.

    I'm not quite sure.

    No. I wouldn't agree with that. For every commandment that is made, and the commandments are holy and good, the end result is that it only creates more offenders. But, thanks be to God, Jesus bore our sins and carried our sicknesses. Though I be red as crimson, he makes me white as wool.

    I believe the rest we find in faith is a rest that puts us back into a Garden of Eden where every day is a day of rest.

    But I am no longer under the law - the law of sin and death. I am under the law of the Spirit of Life where grace is my husband.

    Not that you can't observe the 7th day, if you do it as unto the Lord. If you do it in faith, it is good. If it is your law then to not do it will be sin because you would not be in faith (Rom 17)

    For me, I am already in the Garden where every day is a day of rest.

    But I would say every day is a holy day. Every day, for me, is God's day.

    Acts 20:6-13 6, And we sailed away from Philippi after the days of unleavened bread, and came unto them to Troas in five days; where we abode seven days. 7, And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

    Don't get me wrong... I support your faith in keeping the Sabbath holy and unto the Lord. My Sabbath is just 7 days a week. :)
     
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