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Featured "THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURES

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  1. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Well-Known Member

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    Your welcome. Your posts were addressed with a detailed scripture response evidenced in post # 356 linked; post # 366 linked and in post # 423 linked showing why your claims in regards to scripture is not supported in the bible. Show me what it is in these linked posts that you have not responded to that you disagree with? If you cannot you do not have to. Its up to you. - Take Care.
     
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    Your welcome :)
    Well that is not true, prove your claims and post me a link. Otherwise why simply make up random stuff that are not true? Its not conducive to a friendly discussion.
    No you didn't
    Sorry I do not believe you. Your welcome to prove your claims and post me a link. Otherwise why simply make up random stuff that are not true?
    Someone agreeing or disagreeing something is truth or not truth does not change what truth is. Lets talk more when you have something to contribute.

    Take Care.
     
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    I am happy for you :)
     
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    I already answered you saying that virtually everything you said was false or at least deceptive.

    I pointed out that your logic is at best suspect and at worst complete fallacy. It’s down to you to disprove those claims now!
     
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    That’s quite a lengthy load of nonsense you wrote.

    Your whole premise is that the scriptures DOES NOT say that Jesus IS NOT GOD.

    That is a great example of attempt at PROOF BY CONTRADICTION.

    Except of course, you do not prove anything. You just make up a load of rubbish (contradictive claims) and then state that they must be true unless someone can prove against you… but you would never accept any proof against you.

    However, you forget that it is not about me proving anything to you, but rather that you stop deceiving yourself and stop upholding fallacies that others might then believe.

    Jesus said, in like manner: ‘They seek a sign but no sign will be shown to them!’.

    I changed that for you to: ‘You seek proof but no proof will be shown to you!’.

    The proof you already know. It’s the acceptance of the proof that is your issue.

    For instance (This isn’t proof of scriptures but rather proof of your deceit!): You call Jesus ‘word of God’ and ‘Son of God’ and say Jesus was sent by God and other such things that show a subordinate being (Jesus - a mutable mortal man in humanity) in relationship to a absolute immutable immortal spirit ruler (God of the Jews)… but then you say that this subordinate being IS that same absolute immutable ruler (God of the Jews)!!!

    And you don’t see anything wrong with that false supposition because the scripture writers …

    WHO AT NO TIME EVER THOUGHT JESUS WAS GOD

    … did not state that Jesus…

    WAS NOT GOD.!

    So, according to your ‘proof by contradiction’, you are a [Something besides human] because no one said that you WERE NOT [something other than human]… right?
     
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    You were invited to address the questions,. You replied with great slathers of purported quotes. I deal with fifteen of them and they were all worthless to your claims.

    I then asked you to address one, just one, of my citations, but you didn't. You went back into slather mode. It seems you can't stand coherence.

    So we'll leave it there. It will still be the case ─ as I showed you ─ that none of the five versions of Jesus in the NT ever said "I am God" and all five versions of Jesus in the NT expressly denied being God.

    Have a nice day.
     
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    Oh, I see more of what you are… a far right religious separatist!

    Nice for you!

    So, tell me. If your car broke down in the highway on a ‘Sabbath’ day, would you expect someone to come help you? Wouldn’t that be WORKING FOR PROFIT?
     
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    Sorry you quoting you does not supersede the scriptures shared with you that you ignore that are in disagreement with you. You have provided nothing. Not a single things that disagrees with anything that I have shared with you. For me only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them *see Romans 3:4 and Acts 5:29 and you only provide your words in disagreement with Gods (scripture as posted earlier) so we will agree to disagree.
     
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    Your response here...
    I am sorry dear friend I am not interested in name calling and have no idea what your talking about. Did you want to address the content of the post and the scriptures that are in disagreement with you now?
    Read Mathew 12:1-12. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath day according to Jesus.

    Take Care.
     
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    Scripture is not nonsense and ignoring it does not make it disappear. According to Jesus the Words of God we accept or reject become our judge come judgement day (see John 12:47-48).
    Actually that is not my premise at all. I posted you scripture stating verbatim that Jesus is God. Your comment here only tells me you did not even bother reading the post and the scriptures in them that are in disagreement with you. So you did not read the post you are responding to now did you. Post # 399 addresses every scripture you provided in detail proving that there was not a single scripture that you provided that says Jesus is not God. What you did not say was that in the same post you ignored also posted scriptures directly stating Jesus is God.

    Here let me post them here again for you...
    • John 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.
    • 1 John 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST. HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.
    • John 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!
    • Hebrews 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.
    • 2 Peter 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST
    • Titus 2:1313 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST
    • Luke 1:35 “The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and HE WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD
    • Philippians 2:5-6 5, Let this mind be in you, which was also in CHRIST JESUS: 6, WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD
    Jesus is one with God the father and is God according to the scriptures (see scripture study on "one" you ignored here linked)
    There is quote a lot of scriptures here from different writers all saying the same thing and that is Jesus is God which is in disagreement with you. Does that not worry you? It should.
    I see show me the contradiction in anything I have posted. Lets discuss it. If you cannot why make accusations and claims you cannot prove? Its wasting everyone's time.
    Seems like more ranting and you quoting you without any proof to what you are claiming. Seems to be a common theme with many in this website. Lets talk facts please. You have not provided any.
    Ok so who is seeking a sign from you and how is your comment here relevant to anything? - It isn't it is just more ranting and you quoting you over the scriptures shared with you that disagree with you. Did you want to start addressing anything in the post you are quoting from showing why you agree or disagree please?
    So you have no proof to support your view? Alright well you could have just said so from the beginning so we could all just move on. No need to waste each others time.
    Yes I provided what I believe to be the truth from the scriptures in the post you are quoting from but you are refusing to address and comment on to show why it is you disagree with anything that was posted there. I have no issue accepting the truth of God's Words that is why I posted them. I am still waiting for you to show why you disagree with the content in the post you are quoting from. Did you want to start now and show what it is you disagree with that is posted and why you disagree?
    Well this is a little disappointing. Here we are near the end of your post and you still have not addressed any of the content and scriptures in the post you are quoting from that is in disagreement with you. Perhaps you can start addressing the post you are quoting from and show why you disagree with the scriptures posted there that are in disagreement with you? All you seem to be doing now is name calling that does not really promote friendly discussion.
    I did not make any false suppositions. Sorry dear friend but I am do not know what your talking about here. I was hoping you might start responding to the scripture content in the post you are responding to now though that is in disagreement with you so I can better understand what it is you actually disagree with in the post you are responding to. At the moment I have no idea and it seem you are just ranting and unwilling to discuss the scripture content that is in disagreement with you in the post you are quoting from. As shown above already and below here dear friend it seems Gods' Word disagrees with you that the scriptures writers did not state that Jesus is God. Did you want to explain why?

    John states that Jesus is God here...
    • JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.
    John makes it very clear what he is talking about Jesus being God again here...
    • 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.
    The Apostles Thomas also believed Jesus was God here...
    • JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!
    As does the writer of Hebrews quoting God here...
    • HEBREWS 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.
    Peter knew Jesus was God and states so here...
    • 2 PETER 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST
    Paul also shows his belief that Jesus is God here...
    • TITUS 2:1313 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST
    • PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 5, Let this mind be in you, which was also in CHRIST JESUS: 6, WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD
    The Jews continued to seek to kill Jesus because he they claimed Jesus was claiming himself to be God here...
    • JOHN 10:30-33 30 I and the father are one. 31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, BECAUSE YOU, BEING A MAN, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.”
    The Angel even calls Jesus God here..
    • LUKE 1:35 “The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and HE WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD
    Seems like the scriptures you are ignoring and the rest of the post you are quoting from is in disagreement with you dear friend. Did you want to start addressing the post you are quoting from now and explain what it is in the post you are quoting from that you disagree with and explain why?
    Please forgive me dear friend but I honestly do not know what your talking about. Did you want to have a go now at addressing the content in the post you are quoting from now? All you have done in this post is ignore what was posted to you quoting you over the scriptures in the post you are quoting from that are in disagreement with you. So this post was not really helpful to our discussion I am sorry to say. Lets talk more thought when you want to start addressing my posts to you.

    Take Care
     
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    Please forgive me dear friend but I do not believe you. You were also directly shown the scriptures in earlier posts that state Jesus is God. You ignored everyone of them. In post # 347 linked you were also directly told that the list you are trying to respond to of 15 scriptures (e.g John 1:1-4; 14; John 5:18; Matthew 1:23; from Isaiah 9:6; Titus 2:13; Mark 1:24; Acts 10:41; 2 Corinthians 1:21; John 10:30; John 8:58; John 20:28; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:3; Hebrews 1:8; 1 Peter 1:1) was a list that included both a list of scripture that say (1) Jesus in God and (2) that Jesus was creator and (3) in the beginning with God.

    That list was never a list of scripture directly stating Jesus was God. So in response you tried to build and tear down a paper dragon claiming that I was saying that every scripture provided to you earlier was a reference to Jesus being God? It never was so why pretend that was what I was saying?

    I posted out the from that list all the scriptures in full in another linked post stating that Jesus was God from the gospel writers and the Apostles. You just chose to conveniently ignore them and did not address or respond to them in your post.

    Here let me post them again and give me your response (from post # 356 linked that you chose to ignore and not respond to because it shows your not being honest)....

    As posted earlier, the scripture provided to you (the list of all scriptures) dear friend were direct quotes stating that (1) not only did Jesus pre-exist creation but that (2) Jesus was the God of creation. Did you read them Here lets look at a few I do not think you read them..

    John states that Jesus is God here...
    • JOHN 1:1-4; 14 1, 1, IN THE BEGINNING WAS THE WORD, AND THE WORD WAS WITH GOD, AND THE WORD WAS GOD. 2, THE SAME WAS IN THE BEGINNING WITH GOD. 3, ALL THINGS WERE MADE BY HIM; AND WITHOUT HIM WAS NOT ANY THING MADE THAT WAS MADE. 4, In him was life; and the life was the light of men. [10] He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. [14], AND THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, AND DWELT AMONG US, AND WE BEHELD HIS GLORY, THE GLORY AS OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN OF THE FATHER, FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH.
    John makes it very clear what he is talking about Jesus being God again here...
    • 1 JOHN 5:20 20 And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son JESUS CHRIST HE IS THE TRUE GOD AND ETERNAL LIFE.
    The Apostles Thomas also believed Jesus was God here...
    • JOHN 20:28 28 Thomas answered him, “MY LORD AND MY GOD!
    As does the writer of Hebrews quoting God here...
    • HEBREWS 1:8 But UNTO THE SON HE SAYS, “YOUR THRONE, O GOD, WILL LAST FOR EVER AND EVER; A SCEPTER OF JUSTICE WILL BE THE SCEPTER OF YOUR KINGDOM.
    Peter knew Jesus was God and states so here...
    • 2 PETER 1:1 Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of OUR GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST
    Paul also shows his belief that Jesus is God here...
    • TITUS 2:13 13 waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of OUR GREAT GOD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST
    • PHILIPPIANS 2:5-6 5, Let this mind be in you, which was also in CHRIST JESUS: 6, WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE EQUAL WITH GOD
    The Jews continued to seek to kill Jesus because he they claimed Jesus was claiming himself to be God here...
    • JOHN 10:30-33 30 I and the father are one. 31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you going to stone me?” 33 The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, BECAUSE YOU, BEING A MAN, MAKE YOURSELF GOD.”
    The Angel even calls Jesus God here..
    • LUKE 1:35 “The angel replied, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the baby to be born will be holy, and HE WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD
    So yes you were provided scripture evidence showing that the gospel writers and the Apostles believed Jesus was God. Stating anything otherwise is simply being dishonest. You just simply ignored this post (from post # 356 linked) as you did my responses to your last questions in in post # 356 linked and post # 366 linked. I am still awaiting a response from you but all I hear is silence. So until you start responding to my posts showing why what you are claiming is not supported in the scriptures, we will of course agree to disagree.
    Your not being honest here dear friend are you. Your scripture was addressed with a detailed scripture response and I will post my evidence proving your claims false here from post # 366 linked. All I got back from you in response like my other posts was silence. If you disagree with the linked post try addressing the content and show why and what it is you in disagreement with. All you did was ignore my response to you. So your claims here are also dishonest and not true (evidence provided in the linked post).
    I believe that the bible disagrees with you dear friend as shown in this post and in post # 423 here that you ignored earlier. Take Care.
     
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    Please show me even a single thing i said that was not true word of God!
     
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    I know those words from you. They are words of ‘I cannot refute anything you just said so I’m going to just post poo-poo back!’

    It’s ok, you don’t realise that you are simply revealing your deceit every time to post - I expect that.

    My job is not to make you see sense. It to get you to realise FOR YOURSELF that you are not making sense.

    And I see from your reply that that has been achieved.
     
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    Oh yes, they did with their appointees plus, making adjustments to new realities, including the writing of what we now call the "New Testiment" that did not get written in Jesus' time.

    What was Jesus' Two Commandments? Do they say anything about when the Lord's Day has to be?
     
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    In fact, does anyone know exactly what ‘The Lord’s Day’ is???
     
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    That depends, which Lord? Which day of his? Almost every day is the Lord's Day. For example beside pasta and meatballs being the standard for Fridays, and the only Lord's Day acknowledged by almost all people religious or not at some time today is also Gazpacho Day!

    Let's celebrate.
     
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    Your response here...
    So I guess that means your not going to actually respond to the content in the post and the scriptures in the post you are quoting from that disagree with you again? Its ok you do not have to if you do not want to it is up to you but it would add to a better discussion.

    Take Care.
     
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    According to the scriptures, "the Lords day" is the Sabbath day not Sunday worship. Scriptures support provided here linked. If you disagree your welcome to show why you disagree.
     
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    Your response here...
    You would need evidence for that claim. Evidence is against that claim in the holy scriptures.
    Yes "the Lords day" is the Sabbath day (scripture support here linked). Jesus says in Matthew 22:36-40 "On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets. There is no scripture in all the bible that says Gods' 4th commandment of the 10 commandments has been abolished and we are now commanded to replace Gods' 4th commandment and keep Sunday as a holy day of rest in honor of the resurrection. This is a man-made teaching and tradition that has led many away from God and His Word into breaking the commandments of God that Jesus warns us about doing in Matthew 15:3-9.
     
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