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Featured The Lord's Day, is it really Sunday?

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  1. 3rdAngel

    3rdAngel Well-Known Member

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    There you go you finally found your mistake. So please do not pretend I said things I did not say or read the posts you are quoting from before posting.

    Thankyou :)
     
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    understood
    its basic and on the face of Exodus
    It is simply not applicable to everyone
    The law of the Sabbath is for Israelites only.

    But face masks are for everybody

     
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    Well I believe that is not true but here is why....

    God's 4th commandment is one of the 10 commandments that give us the knowledge of what sin is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7 and according to God's Word in the new covenant if we break any one of Gods' 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. Sin will keep all those who knowingly practice it out of Gods Kingdom if they have been given a knowledge of the truth of God's Word and reject it *HEBREWS 10:26-27; ACTS 17:30-31; JAMES 4:17.

    According to JESUS Gods' Sabbath was made for all mankind and he is the Lord of it *MARK 2:27-28 and commands his people to keep it as a Holy day of rest (no work or business) *EXODUS 20:8-11. There was no ISRAEL when the Sabbath was made for all mankind only Adam and Eve *GENESIS 2:1-3.

    According to the scriptuers God's ISRAEL according in the new covenant are all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. There is no more JEW or gentile believers ROMANS 3:28-29. All are one in Christ *GALATIANS 3:28. God's ISRAEL is not those of the flesh but of the Spirit *ROMANS 9:6-8, and gentiles are now grafted in to the root whichs is JESUS and are now a part of Gods ISRAEL *ROMANS 11:13-27.

    If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in God's new covenant promise of a new heart to love *HEBREWS 8:10-12; ROMANS 13:8-10. God's ISRAEL in the old and new covenant are simply all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. Detailed scripture support here if anyone is interested.

    Hope this is helpful.
     
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    That is your opinion. I like opinions. They are like alternative truths [if such exists].

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    Where in Genesis that God told Adam to observe the regulations of the Sabbath? Gen 2:1-3?
    Let us check that out.

    Genesis 2:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
    Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.

    By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

    The Bible verses said God stopped creating.
    He didn't even said this 7th day is the Sabbath.
    It said God finished the work and made it holy.
    There were no to do and not to do rules given by God to Adam.

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    Did God command Adam don't work on the 7th day.
    Don't cook on the 7th day.
    No buying and selling on the 7th day.
    There were none of these rules before the Exodus.
    Where in the Bible did the word "Sabbath" first appeared in the Bible?

    Exodus 16:23 New International Version (NIV)
    He said to them, “This is what the Lord commanded: ‘Tomorrow is to be a day of sabbath rest, a holy sabbath to the Lord. So bake what you want to bake and boil what you want to boil. Save whatever is left and keep it until morning.’”

    And who are those commanded about the sabbath rest? Were these Adam and Eve?

    Exodus 31:13 New International Version (NIV)
    Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.

    Exodus 31:16 New International Version (NIV)
    The Israelites are to observe the Sabbath, celebrating it for the generations to come as a lasting covenant.

    Exodus 35:1-3 New International Version (NIV)
    Moses assembled the whole Israelite community and said to them, “These are the things the Lord has commanded you to do: For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death. Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day.”


    It is without doubt the Israelites are commanded to observe the Lord's Sabbaths.
    If I am an Israelite, I would obey because this command is exclusively for Israelites
    But I am not an Israelite so it is not applicable to me.
    And there are no living or kicking Israelite today.
    What we have are Israelis which is a mix race.

    Next, the Israelites are commanded to kill anyone among them who does any work on Sabbath.
    Do you comply with this command?

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    If you didn't then you did not guard the Sabbath.
    If you failed to guard the Sabbath, its okay

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    You are not an Israelite anyway.
     
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    Jewish Law does not apply to Gentiles. OTOH, if a Gentile wants to observe Jewish Law, that's obviously their choice.
     
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    Your response here...
    I did not provide an opinion I provided scripture as shown in the post you are quoting from above where you only micro quoted me. As the section of the post you are quoting from says "There was no ISRAEL when the Sabbath was made only ADAM and EVE *GENESIS 2:1-3". Are you trying to argue that the Sabbath was only made for ISRAEL when ISRAEL did not exist when the Sabbath was made for all mankind according to JESUS? JESUS says that the SABBATH was made for all mankind in MARK 2:27-28. It seems though that your opinion which is not backed by scripture that the Sabbath was made for ISRAEL when there was no ISRAEL when the Sabbath was made. Sorry dear friend but I choose to believe God's Word over your words and opinion as your claims are not backed by scripture.
    WHERE IS THE SABBATH IN GENESIS 2:1-3?

    GOD's 4th Commandment is refering to GENESIS 2:1-3 in EXODUS 20:8-11.

    GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: because that in it he had RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] from all his work which God created and made.

    Links to God’s 4th Commandment

    EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], REMEMBER THE SABBATH DAY, TO KEEP IT HOLY [Made Holy at creation GENESIS 2:3]. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But THE SEVENTH DAY [ Genesis 2:1-3] IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD YOUR GOD : in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [WHY?] [11], FOR IN SIX DAYS THE LORD MADE HEAVEN AND EARTH, THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM IS, AND RESTED THE SEVENTH DAY; WHEREFORE THE LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY. [Refering to GENESIS 2:1-3]

    Not hard, read the scripture. Look at the HEBREW WORD meanings again...

    GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2], And ON THE SEVENTH DAY God ended his work which he had made; and he RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And GOD BLESSED THE SEVENTH DAY AND MADE IT HOLY: because that in it he had RESTED [שׁבת; shâbath H7673; Keep Sabbath] from all his work which God created and made.

    The Hebrew word for RESTED used here is שׁבת; shâbath (H7673). It's meaning is; to repose, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, KEEP SABBATH, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away.

    שׁבת; shâbath or REST (H7673) is the ORIGIN or ROOT word for שׁבּת; shabbâth (H7676) which is used in God's 4th commandments translated into english as SABBATH. The HEBREW Word for shabbâth meaing is the intermission between SABBATHS or shâbath (H7673) REST or the continuation meaing from one SABBATH REST to the Next SABBATH REST continuation or EVERY SABBATH. It's application is in God's 4th commandment EXODUS 20:8 is to REMEMBER [EVERY] Sabbath [shabbâth H7676].

    In the 4th commandment *EXODUS 20:8-11; v11 tells us the ORIGINS of God's 4th commandments Sabbath is in reference to GENESIS 2:1-3 and the reason why it is given as a memorial of Greation to whorship God as the creator of Heaven and Earth.

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    Hebrew and Greek Dictionaries w/TVM, Strong - H7673 REST from GENESIS 2:1-3 שׁבת shâbath A primitive root; to REPOSE, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically): - (cause to, let, make to) cease, CELEBRATE, cause (make) to fail, KEEP SABBATH, suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) REST, rid, still, take away.

    GENESIS 2:1-3 is the first Sabbath according to the scripture. There is no Sabbath before the Sabbath is created. This took place according to the scriptures in GENESIS 2:1-3 and this is what God's 4th commandment in EXODUS 20:8-11 is referring to word for word.
    and according to JESUS the SABBATH was made for all mankind in MARK 2:27-28 in the creation week where God blessed and set apart the "seventh day" as a Holy day or rest, where no word is to be done and we are to "remember" the God of creation.
    Well thankyou this only proves that God's people knew about the Sabbath before the 10 commandments where given at Mt Sinai and support what is being shared with you here.
    Absolutely. This is what JESUS says when he says that the Sabbath was made for all mankind in MARK 2:27 and he is the Lord of it in MARK 2:28. What God made the SABBATH on the "seventh day" of the creation week in GENESIS 2:1-3 there was no ISRAEL only ADAM and EVE who are the father and mother of all mankind.
    Indeed ISRAEL, represent God's people who have been given the Word of God. Unbelievers do not have God's Word. God's ISRAEL according to the new covenant are all those who believe and follow God's Word. God's ISRAEL according to the new covenant is all those who believe and follow Gods' Word. According to Gods' Word in the new covenant there is no more JEW or gentile believers ROMANS 3:28-29. All are one in Christ. God's ISRAEL is not those of the flesh but of the Spirit *ROMANS 9:6-8, gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the new covenant promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. More detailed scripture response on God's ISRAEL in the old and new covenants here if anyone is interested.

    May you receive Gods Word and be blessed ignoring it does not make it disappear.

    Hope this helps :)
     
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    There are no Jew and gentile believers in the new covenant. Gentiles are grafted in and all are one in Christ *GALATIANS 3:28
     
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    From the Book of Jubilees 4: 30; "And He (Adam) lacked seventy years of one thousand years; for one thousand years are as one day in the testimony of the heavens and therefore was it written concerning the tree of knowledge: "On the day thou eat thereof ye shall die." For this reason, Adam did not complete the years of that first day; for He died during it." Adam died at the age of 930 in the first day.

    The Lord's day is the seventh period of one thousand years from the day in which Adam ate of the forbidden fruit and died in that day at the age of 930.

    The Lords day is referred to in Acts 17: 31. For He (The Lord God our savior) has fixed a day in which he shall judge the whole world with justice by means of a MAN that he has CHOSEN. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising that MAN from death.

    The Lord's day is the thousand year Sabbath of which the weekly Sabbath was but a shadow of the reality that is fast approaching.
     
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    It is impossible for the 4th commandment "seventh day" sabbath of creation *GENESIS 2:1-3; EXODUS 20:8-11 to be a Shadow of anything as it was a part of the finished work of creation in GENESIS. The commandment does not point forward it points backward to the finished work of creation ..."Remember" the Sabbath day to keep it holy *EXODUS 20:8-11.

    Final proof is that the Mosaic shadow laws where given as a result of sin to outline God's plan of salvation for sinful mankind. There was NO SIN when the Sabbath was made and mankind walked and talked with God and was in perfect harmony with God and sinless. The shadow laws were only given after man sinned as part of God's plan of salvation from sin so it is impossible for the Sabbath to be a shadow of anything.

    Blessings.
     
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    Mark 2:27-28 New International Version (NIV)
    Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”

    If that was a snake it would have bitten you already. What does it mean - The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath? How do you understand this?

    Since Sabbath is an activity [deliberate cessation of work], let us superimpose it with another activity - Sale. So we can make comprehending things easier.

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    The Sale was made for man, not man for sale.
    Do you comprehend the sentence now? Isn't that easy?

    Now let us study the other thing that Jesus said
    So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”
    What did he mean by that?

    Who is Lord and must be obeyed? Jesus is Lord and he must be obeyed.
    Is the Sabbath, our lord and must be obeyed? Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath, the Sabbath obeys the Lord.
    Having said that - Did the Son of Man [the Lord Jesus Christ] observed the Sabbath?
    From the Bible...

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    Luke 13:10-16 New International Version (NIV)
    On a Sabbath Jesus was teaching in one of the synagogues, and a woman was there who had been crippled by a spirit for eighteen years. She was bent over and could not straighten up at all. When Jesus saw her, he called her forward and said to her, “Woman, you are set free from your infirmity.” Then he put his hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God.

    Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue leader said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.”

    The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?”

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    Did Jesus work on Sabbath Days?
    Apparently this was Jesus Christ's declaration:

    John 5:16-17 New International Version (NIV)
    So, because Jesus was doing these things on the Sabbath, the Jewish leaders began to persecute him. In his defense Jesus said to them, “My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.”

    I thought working is prohibited on the Sabbath?
    And yet Jesus said he is doing and working these things on the Sabbath?!?
    Who is greater?
    Jesus or the Sabbath?
    Well, I chose Jesus because he is the Lord of the Sabbath.

    Rest days are made for man, not man made for rest days.

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    It is like Sports are made for man, not man made for Sports.
    It was meant to be enjoyed not to be a burden.

    Jesus Christ didn't observe the Sabbath, he worked and he said God is working also on Sabbaths.
    So if that is the case, what the heck are those Sabbath rules about not working?
    It was made for the Israelites, it is obsolete and not applicable for everybody.
    It was meant for the Israelites only.

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    I believe all you have provided here is waffle, and meme smoke screens that are not based in truth and your own opinion that does not address any of the scriptures provided in the post you are quoting from that disagree with you and I believe prove why you are in error. All you have basically provided here is your opinion that denies the scriptures provided that are God's Word not mine. The scriptures are God's Word not my words. So it seems your arguing with God not me. We will therefore have to agree to disagree because for me only God's Word is true and all you have done I believe is to deny Gods' Word with your words and opinions that are not Gods'

    May you receive God's Word and be blessed. Ignoring it does not make it disappear. According to the scriptures, the Word of God we accept or reject becomes our judge come judgement day *JOHN 12:47-48. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God *HEBREWS 10:26-31.
     
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    You have read it at point blank range.

    The observance of the Sabbath is for the Israelites and no other.
    Otherwise it would have been commanded to the rest of the human race.

    Jesus Christ showed who is Lord and kept working on Sabbaths.
    God is working on Sabbaths, as Jesus Christ said.

    If that is the case why are people still observing Sabbaths?
    Even though they are not Israelites and even though they know Jesus Christ worked on the Sabbaths?
    People who do not like waffles!
     
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    Nonsense. JESUS never broke Gods' 4th commandment sabbath commandment or he would not be our perfect sacrifice for sin. Did you not read in the scriptures it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath and do God's Work? You do know that doing good and God's work is not the work we are commanded not to do right (see EXODUS 20:8-11). You are welcome to waffle if you like dear friend. For me though I believe Gods' Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Who should we believe and follow, the teachings of men or the Word of God? As it is written; "Let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That you might be justified in your sayings, and might overcome when you are judged" *ROMANS 3:4 and as Peter says "We ough to obey God rather then men" *ACTS 5:29. You are free to believe as you wish as your salvation is between you and God not me and you.
     
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    We should believe and follow - by all means!
    But are you truly following the Sabbath commands of God?

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    Do you follow these Sabbath commands?

    Exodus 31:14
    “‘Observe the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Anyone who desecrates it is to be put to death; those who do any work on that day must be cut off from their people.

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    Exodus 31:15
    For six days work is to be done, but the seventh day is a day of sabbath rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day is to be put to death.

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    Exodus 35:2
    For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the Lord. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.

    So how many people you killed? Those who don't observe the Sabbath.
    Commandments have to be followed, they must be put to death.
    Why don't you follow this Sabbath commandment of God?
    The Israelites followed this, why cant you?

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    Numbers 15:32-36 New International Version (NIV)
    While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day. Those who found him gathering wood brought him to Moses and Aaron and the whole assembly, and they kept him in custody, because it was not clear what should be done to him. Then the Lord said to Moses, “The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.” So the assembly took him outside the camp and stoned him to death, as the Lord commanded Moses.

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    God commands Sabbath observers to KILL those who violate the Sabbath.
    Why are you not following God's command to put to death those who work on the Sabbath?
    What did Jesus call to people who do not do what they preach?
     
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    Colossians 2: 16; So let no one make rules about what you eat or drink or about holy days or the New Moon Festival 'OR THE SABBATH' 17All such things are only a shadow of things in the future;

    Galatians 4: 8; "In the past you did not know God, and so you were slaves of beings who are not gods. 9But now that you know God — or, I should say, now that God knows you — how is it that you want to turn back to those weak and pitiful ruling spirits? Why do you want to become their slaves all over again? 10You pay special attention to certain days, months, seasons, and years. 11I am worried about you! Can it be that all my work for you has been for nothing?

    I nor anyone, to who the truth has been revealed remains a prisoner of the Law that you want everyone to follow, knowing that no one can be saved by doing what the law requires.
     
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    And what Sabbath would that be referring to? You do know that there are many sabbaths that are not God's 4th commandment creation Sabbath of the 4th commandment right?

    Tell me my dear friend, what sabbaths is COLOSSIANS 2:16 talking about (scripture proof please?). Is Colossians 2:16-17 talking about...

    1. The Sabbaths of the Feast of unleavened bread (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:6-8
    2. The Sabbath on the annual day of Atonement that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:27-32
    3. The Sabbath on the annual Feast of Trumpets that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:24-25?
    4. The Sabbath on the Feast of Booths that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:34-36
    5. Feast of first fruits (first and last day) that can fall on any day of the week *LEVITICUS 23:39
    6. The sabbaths (sabbaton plural) of holy convocations from the annual feast days *LEVITICUS 23:7-8; 21;24; 27; 35-36 that can fall on any days of the week
    7. The Sabbath of the land (7 year single cycle) *LEVITICUS 25:2
    8. The Sabbath of Jubilee - culminating of the 7x7 yearly cycles sabbaths *LEVITICUS 25:9-54
    9. Or God's 4th commandment seventh day weekly Sabbath which is one of the 10 commandments that define sin when broken? *EXODUS 20:8-11 from GENESIS 2:1-3

    I believe you may need to study this a bit further dear friend. Colossians 2:16-17 context is in reference to the annual shadow sabbaths in feast days that can fall on any day of the week depending on the hearly cycle. I believe according to the scriptures that it has nothing to do with God's 4th commandment.

    Detailed scripture support provided below linked...

    COLOSSIANS 2:16-17 and The Sabbath - Are You Being Told The Truth?


    Hope this helps
     
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    Nonsense. Please get your facts right before posting dear friend. We are not living in the old covenant under the commonwealth of the nation of ISRAEL in the flesh but in the new covenant in the Spirit. Under the old covenant and the civil laws of the nation of ISRAEL if anyone openly broke nearly anyone of Gods' 10 commandments (not the Sabbath commandment only) they were stoned and put to death. *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12.

    According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    God's 4th commandment (as anyone one of the 10 commandments) says nothing about having to put people to death for breaking God's 10 commandments. Sin however is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to the scriptures all those who continue to practice known unrepentant sin will not enter into the kingdom of heaven because those doing so reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of God *HEBREWS 10:26-31.

    Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says those who follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. BABYLON has fallen it is time to leave and return back to the pure Word of God.

    God's sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him, Those who do not hear do not follow because they are not His sheep *JOHN 10:26-27

    I believe you dropped your waffle.
     
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  18. MJFlores

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    You just only peppered your post with Bible verse references without showing the content and explaining why you haven't killed those who do not observe the Sabbath. Ewww, that's OT - isn't the Sabbath OT? You quoted from Genesis and you quoted from Exodus, which the latter book says you have to kill people who do not observe the Sabbath to make it holy. Unless...

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    If your religion is simply ignoring that, then you aren't really following God's commands at all. As you know the Bible says - Break one, you are guilty of breaking all of them. Or maybe you yourself isn't sure about the whole thing? Maybe your Sabbath is not really the Biblical Sabbath mentioned in the Bible? Maybe it is just a Sabbath wanna be [made in China perhaps]? Your Sabbath is lacking if it is not based on the Bible and the result would be a disturbing faith.

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    I have cited the occasion where the Israelites killed a man just gathering wood on a Sabbath.
    A number of times Jesus Christ himself violated the Sabbath together with his apostles.

    One of the many rules of the Sabbath [based on the Bible] is mentioned in:

    Exodus 35:1-3 New Century Version (NCV)
    Moses gathered all the Israelite community together and said to them, “These are the things the Lord has commanded you to do. You are to work for six days, but the seventh day will be a holy day, a Sabbath of rest to honor the Lord. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death. On the Sabbath day you must not light a fire in any of your houses.”

    My question is: Do you light a fire in your house during Sabbath?

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    Even those verses mentioned - Anyone who works on Sabbath day must be put to death. But your religion whatever it is, do not follow this important Sabbath rule to the letter. It only means one thing!

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    Yes. I believe the differnece between us is that I pepper my posts with scripture as it is the scriptures that prove what I am sharing with you is true and provide the context you leave out of your posts that I believe prove why you are in error. These are Gods' Word not mine. While you pepper your posts with meme's as a smoke screen of distraction to the discussion of scriptures provided in the OP while making claims that are simply your opinion and not biblical.

    For me I believe only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them over the teahcings and traditions of men that break the commandment of God. JESUS says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God.

    Your post here only shows you did not read the post and the scriptures you are responding as everything you have said here is already addressed in the post you are quoting from. As posted earlier, We are not living in the old covenant under the commonwealth of the nation of ISRAEL in the flesh but in the new covenant in the Spirit. Under the old covenant and the civil laws of the nation of ISRAEL if anyone openly broke nearly anyone of Gods' 10 commandments (not the Sabbath commandment only) they were stoned and put to death. *DEUTERONOMY 13:6-18; 1 SAMUEL 26:19; DEUTERONOMY 13:1-10; 17:2-5; 27:15; DEUTERONOMY 7:25-26; LEVITICUS 24:10-17; EXODUS 31:14-15; 35:2; LEVITICUS 20:9; DEUTERONOMY 21:18-21; EXODUS 21:17; EXODUS 21:12-14; LEVITICUS 20; JOHN 8:5; EXODUS 21:16; DEUTERONOMY 19:15-21. That was to teach God's people the wages of SIN (breaking any one of God's 10 commandments) is death as it does in the NEW COVENANT *ROMANS 6:23 although JESUS says vengence is mine at his 2nd coming *ROMANS 12:17-19; REVELATION 22:12.

    According to God's WORD, ALL those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is not how we are saved it is the FRUIT of God's work in us as we BELIEVE and FOLLOW his WORD. If our faith has no fruit it is dead *JAMES 2:18-20; 26 and our tree will be cast down and thrown into the fire *MATTHEW 3:10; 7:19-20; 13:49-50.

    God's 4th commandment (as anyone one of the 10 commandments) says nothing about having to put people to death for breaking God's 10 commandments. Sin however is breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *1 JOHN 3:4; JAMES 2:10-11; 1 JOHN 3:4. According to the scriptures all those who continue to practice known unrepentant sin will not enter into the kingdom of heaven because those doing so reject the gift of God's dear son and count the blood of the covenant an unholy thing doing dispite to the Spirit of God *HEBREWS 10:26-31.

    Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. JESUS says those who follow man made teachings and traditions that break the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. BABYLON has fallen it is time to leave and return back to the pure Word of God.

    God's sheep hear His Voice (the Word) and follow him, Those who do not hear do not follow because they are not His sheep *JOHN 10:26-27

    May you receive God's Word and be blessed ignoring it does not make it disappear. It becomes our judge come judgement day JOHN 12:47-48.

    I believe you dropped your waffle again.
     
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    So why don't you kill those people who don't make the Sabbath holy?
    You have not responded to this.
    But I see a lot of

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    Do you turn off the lights at your house during Sabbath days?
    Again this question is unanswered.

    Now, I know you had this belief for the longest time.
    Maybe you are trying to struggle in understanding the Sabbath.
    So let us understand it by answering unresolved questions.

    This is your Sabbath on the stand.
    Lucky for me I don't have that sort of thing.
    If you know the Sabbath like the back of your hand,
    then please explain the Sabbath fully.

    Cowering with plenty of words with the attempt to divert things isn't really helpful.
    When people do that, I often think they are trying to cling on to a lost cause
    Which is really fanaticism - following something which they themselves doubt.
     
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