The Liberal Class vs. The Working Class: The Party is Over!

[CynthiaCypher]

The working class has largely been betrayed by the liberal elite. Since Clinton, the elite liberal class political party i.e the Democratic party as done absolutely nothing for the working class. We have high unemployment, we still have foreclosures going on and we still have the destruction of trade unions. Their party no longer speaks to the working class.

Instead the liberal elite as decided to ignore the suffering of the poor and working class and push a cultural agenda and if that will address the suffering of the working class. Cultural change does not equal social justice but many liberals want to make pretend and say that it does. The people are suffering and just changing the set dressing does not address the suffering of the working class and poor.

If the liberal class keeps ignoring the working class, they will become nothing more than a joke. Keep ignoring the worker and the poor to push cultural change instead of social justice then you can buy yourself a front seat ticket to the exodus of the working class from your favored political party. Call me Cassandra but this is what is going to happen. In fact it is already happening.

You liberals give the working class and poor nothing, they will give you nothing.

Now debate.

 

[Curious George]

I guess I need to understand what exactly it is the "working class" wants, and who exactly are the "liberals."

For instance, did the removal of preexisting conditions in insurance not benefit the working class. Did the extension of unemployment benefits somehow help the rich? is this ramble a shout for increased minimum wages, less school debt? I am not sure what to make of it. There are counter arguments to nearly every proposal of which I can imagine, and that is just from the working class perspective.

is there on voice booming from the working class? I hear myriad ramblings, and am unsure of what you speak.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

For instance, did the removal of preexisting conditions in insurance not benefit the working class.

Obamacare was not health care reform, it as a boon for the insurance industry if anything. Throwing a starving dog bread crumbs is not helping.

Did the extension of unemployment benefits somehow help the rich?

Hell yes it does, by placating the working class. Bread crumbs.

is this ramble a shout for increased minimum wages, less school debt?

A living wage? You actually think the government is going to enforce a living wage?

is there on voice booming from the working class? I hear myriad ramblings, and am unsure of what you speak.

Keep turning a deaf ear to the worker and see the exodus. You want to call it mere ramblings, I call it the voice of the disenfranchised. So keep on telling them to eat cake or in this case bread crumbs while the liberal class pushes a cultural agenda and ignores social justice.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Both major parties need to be abandoned and the working class and the poor need to go more to the left.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Both major parties need to be abandoned and the working class and the poor need to go more to the left.

They should embrace socialism, but socialism as been so stigmatized by both parties I either see many of the working class abandoning even having a political voice or moving towards right-wing populism i.e. fascism.

 

[Curious George]

Obamacare was not health care reform, it as a boon for the insurance industry if anything. Throwing a starving dog bread crumbs is not helping.





Hell yes it does, by placating the working class. Bread crumbs.



A living wage? You actually think the government is going to enforce a living wage?




Keep turning a deaf ear to the worker and see the exodus. You want to call it mere ramblings, I call it the voice of the disenfranchised. So keep on telling them to eat cake or in this case bread crumbs while the liberal class pushes a cultural agenda and ignores social justice.

I am hearing a lot of vague language, cliches, and colorful metaphors. What is it that the "working class" wants. If there is some definitive answer of which you know, define it.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

They should embrace socialism, but socialism as been so stigmatized by both parties I either see many of the working class abandoning even having a political voice or moving towards right-wing populism i.e. fascism.

Yeah, they're more likely to end up fascists than socialists, anarchists or communists. It's sad.

 

[Secret Chief]

The working class has largely been betrayed by the liberal elite. Since Clinton, the elite liberal class political party i.e the Democratic party as done absolutely nothing for the working class. We have high unemployment, we still have foreclosures going on and we still have the destruction of trade unions. Their party no longer speaks to the working class.

Instead the liberal elite as decided to ignore the suffering of the poor and working class and push a cultural agenda and if that will address the suffering of the working class. Cultural change does not equal social justice but many liberals want to make pretend and say that it does. The people are suffering and just changing the set dressing does not address the suffering of the working class and poor.

If the liberal class keeps ignoring the working class, they will become nothing more than a joke. Keep ignoring the worker and the poor to push cultural change instead of social justice then you can buy yourself a front seat ticket to the exodus of the working class from your favored political party. Call me Cassandra but this is what is going to happen. In fact it is already happening.

You liberals give the working class and poor nothing, they will give you nothing.

Now debate.

Should this not be in the North American politics forum? It's a little difficult to relate to for a non-American. This is because of unique specifics (eg Obamacare) and because political terms seem to mean quite different things from country to country. For example, as a Brit I broadly view America as a country with two major right-wing parties (plus the nutter libertarians).

Just a thought...

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I am hearing a lot of vague language, cliches, and colorful metaphors. What is it that the "working class" wants. If there is some definitive answer of which you know, define it.

What part of "social justice" do you not understand? We still have growing income disparity, we still have the disenfranchisement of the worker, we still have the destruction of trade unionism, we have no real health care reform...need I go on?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Yeah, they're more likely to end up fascists than socialists, anarchists or communists. It's sad.

And you can blame the liberal class for that one.

 

[Kilgore Trout]

I find it interesting, and somewhat amusing, how Americans have been so easily programmed to view every aspect of society, culture, and human nature on the ridiculously oversimplistic notion of "liberal" vs. "conservative."

 

[Magic Man]

The working class has largely been betrayed by the liberal elite. Since Clinton, the elite liberal class political party i.e the Democratic party as done absolutely nothing for the working class. We have high unemployment, we still have foreclosures going on and we still have the destruction of trade unions. Their party no longer speaks to the working class.

Instead the liberal elite as decided to ignore the suffering of the poor and working class and push a cultural agenda and if that will address the suffering of the working class. Cultural change does not equal social justice but many liberals want to make pretend and say that it does. The people are suffering and just changing the set dressing does not address the suffering of the working class and poor.

If the liberal class keeps ignoring the working class, they will become nothing more than a joke. Keep ignoring the worker and the poor to push cultural change instead of social justice then you can buy yourself a front seat ticket to the exodus of the working class from your favored political party. Call me Cassandra but this is what is going to happen. In fact it is already happening.

You liberals give the working class and poor nothing, they will give you nothing.

Now debate.

I've never heard of the "liberal class". It's true that politicians in general have not been working for the working class for a long time, but I'm not sure why you're singling out a group called the "liberal class" or the "liberal elite".

Are you trying to say that the democratic party that is supposed to be working for the middle and lower classes isn't doing its job, mostly because it's compromising too much and not pushing for real change? If so, I agree. If not, can you explain your position more please?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I've never heard of the "liberal class". It's true that politicians in general have not been working for the working class for a long time, but I'm not sure why you're singling out a group called the "liberal class" or the "liberal elite".

Are you trying to say that the democratic party that is supposed to be working for the middle and lower classes isn't doing its job, mostly because it's compromising too much and not pushing for real change? If so, I agree. If not, can you explain your position more please?

The liberal class are the elite of the Democratic party establishment, they are rich, white and spoiled decadent paternalistic narcissists, the intelligentsia, the members of the liberal media, the social progressives and they have done nothing for the working class. Not only have they not done anything positive but they actually do things that are detrimental to the working class.

 

[Curious George]

The liberal class are the elite of the Democratic party establishment, they are rich, white and spoiled decadent paternalistic narcissists, the intelligentsia, the members of the liberal media, the social progressives and they have done nothing for the working class. Not only have they not done anything positive but they actually do things that are detrimental to the working class.

So Obama is not part of this group?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

So Obama is not part of this group?

He sure is.

 

[Curious George]

He sure is.

So white is just a metaphor?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

So white is just a metaphor?

Just because the figurehead is a PoC doesn't mean anything, white liberal elites still rule the Democratic party and set it's platform. Obama is a prop and nothing more than that.

 

[Daemon Sophic]

The liberal class are the elite of the Democratic party establishment, they are rich, white and spoiled decadent paternalistic narcissists, the intelligentsia, the members of the liberal media, the social progressives and they have done nothing for the working class. Not only have they not done anything positive but they actually do things that are detrimental to the working class.

I am unaware of such a group, and certainly not a group capable of implementing political change.
BTW - what does "the liberal media" consist of? The Rachel Maddow show and Ed Schultz?

Now then. Although the democratic party has been pulled so far to the right, that they would have to turn left to get back to Ronald Reagan in his day; I would characterize most of their efforts to be in favor of the middle class, but most often twisted or stymied outright by the conservatives.

To use your example....the dems toss the starving dog a loaf of bread, but the republicans consume 99% of it before the crumbs get to the food bowl.
That said, the republicans would rather weaken the dog till they could drown it in a bathtub. And the Tea Party neocons would like to torture the dog before burning it to death on a cross. :yes:

So are we just 'choosing our poison'? Yeah. I guess so. But it is much better to go with the dems, and THEN oust the DINO's, than to let another neocon draw political breath.

 

[Curious George]

Just because the figurehead is a PoC doesn't mean anything, white liberal elites still rule the Democratic party and set it's platform. Obama is a prop and nothing more than that.

Why include race at all if it is not a distinguishing factor? Methinks you are using colorful language to try to rally some hypothetical mass.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I am unaware of such a group, and certainly not a group capable of implementing political change.

Maybe you should become more aware. Read some Chomsky or something.

BTW - what does "the liberal media" consist of? The Rachel Maddow show and Ed Schultz?

Yup. The cheerleaders for the Democratic party and the Obama administration.

Now then. Although the democratic party has been pulled so far to the right, that they would have to turn left to get back to Ronald Reagan in his day; I would characterize most of their efforts to be in favor of the middle class, but most often twisted or stymied outright by the conservatives.

To use your example....the dems toss the starving dog a loaf of bread, but the republicans consume 99% of it before the crumbs get to the food bowl.
That said, the republicans would rather weaken the dog till they could drown it in a bathtub. And the Tea Party neocons would like to torture the dog before burning it to death on a cross. :yes:

So are we just 'choosing our poison'? Yeah. I guess so. But it is much better to go with the dems, and THEN oust the DINO's, than to let another neocon draw political breath.

Pulled? They happily went there. Who helped undermine trade unionism? Who implemented NAFTA and promoted the globalization of capital? Who cut and changed "welfare as we know it" and with pride? Who repealed the Glass-Stegall Act? Who helped send millions of manufacturing jobs outside of the U.S.?

So tell me why the working class should duped by a party that does nothing for them, if fact why should they be duped by a party that routinely works against them? They have done nothing for the working class but throw them crumbs and false promises. The liberal elite have never offer the worker anything substantial, if they have show me where.