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The Left Is Re-Thinking Bill Clinton

Discussion in 'North American Politics' started by Revoltingest, Nov 18, 2017.

  1. Revoltingest

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    To have a mistress (assuming a voluntary relationship) is a completely separate
    matter from the subject at hand, ie, unwanted sexual pestering & assault.
    These 2 scenarios should not be confused with each other, lest sexual assault
    be too easily dismissed as mere impropriety.
    Abusers often have enablers.
    I brought up Hillary because this was her role, & it would come to light
    with greater significance if she were to run for office in today's climate.
    Everyone faces hard choices in life.
    But these choices shed light upon character. Even though understandable to
    you & others, her choice to attack Bill's victims speaks volumes about her values.
    I thought that term described those who are still deeply hurt by her loss?
    Don't deflect from sins on the left by pointing to those on the right.
    I'd hope that if the 2016 presidential campaign were held in today's
    climate, that neither Trump nor HIllary would survive the primaries.
     
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    You're welcome to start your own thread if you'd prefer to avoid the issue of the
    left's re-examination of Bill Clinton. But the article linked demonstrates a
    fundamental change in the left's weltanschauung more so than the others I've seen.

    Perhaps someday we'll see the right re-examine Trump in the same way, eh?
     
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    "God Emperor" trump would survive because his misdeeds were known during the primary and ignored by those voting for him.

    Also, forgiving someone is not enabling them. It's part of the Hillary Derangement Syndrome to attack her for not knowing exactly what was going on and forgiving him after it came out. This is exactly the kind of distraction the right is trying to do to get their followers attention away from the much worse behavior that those on the right are doing. This is classic propaganda and must be called out as such although it seems that those who have any emotional distance between themselves and the political party they worship with fervor are gradually realizing.
     
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    That climate is changing though.
    I wasn't speaking of her forgiving him for indiscretions.
    It was about her role in discrediting the victims' claims.
    Those are 2 very very different things.

    There is much argument about this, but even the pro-Clinton NYT is damning.....
    acknowledges How Hillary Clinton Grappled With Bill Clinton’s Infidelity, and His Accusers
    This is deflection of a very real controversy.
     
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    Where? I've never read anything about her "complicity" in covering up Bill's misconduct. What did she do?
     
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    It won't suffice, but see the post preceding yours.
     
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    It's certainly unsavory if Hillary instructed underlings to dig up dirt on Gennifer Flowers (who, after all, didn't accuse Bill of sexual misconduct, as far as I know). But, of course, digging up dirt on a tattletail doesn't amount to complicity in a cover-up.
     
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    The mainstream liberal press is just throwing the Clintons under the bus because it is politically expedient to do so. Funny how it still comes down to blaming the woman - Hillary, in this case. Very sexist.
     
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    It used to be a "vast right wing conspiracy", but now a liberal press conspiracy too?
    The Clinton's were all about blaming the woman, when the woman accused Bill of assault.
    Ref....
    Did Hillary Clinton help her husband silence women who accused him of rape?
    So is she allowed to get away with it because she's a woman, or because she's a Democrat?
     
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    Your post raises a question.....what's the purpose of digging dirt?
    Is there some purpose other than discrediting & discouraging the victims?
    And silencing them is acceptable?
     
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    In the case of victims of sexual assault (especially he-said/she-said cases), the reason for digging up dirt on them is precisely as you said: to discredit them and to encourage them to shut up.

    But, again, as far as I know, Flowers was not claiming to be a victim of sexual assault. Her purpose for telling of having a decade-long affair with Clinton was apparently only to get a bigger fee for her spread in Penthouse, more TV exposure and a better deal on her book.
     
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    I consider this evil.
    Flowers wasn't.
    But I was addressing Willey & Broaddrick.
     
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    No evidence, I see. Even your article admits there's no evidence of that. That Broaddrick woman sounds like a crank, too.
     
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    There's no physical evidence against any of the numerous guys lately
    accused of sexual misbehavior. Only multiple accusers in most cases
    (including Bill's). Would all of them then be excused....even Trump?

    OK, there is one piece of hard evidence....
    [​IMG]
    It's good that she saved that picture.
     
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    I'm talking evidence that Hillary is involved in some cover-up and intimidation. I don't know what Bill did. He's a womanizer for sure but I'm not convinced he's a rapist like that weird Broaddrick woman is saying. I find her to be extremely hypocritical, anyway, since she whines about wanting people to believe her but supports Trump with such gusto when he is also accused of rape. She also seems to hate Hillary more than Bill. She's the only one accusing him of rape. The rest were said to be consensual as far as I know. That doesn't doesn't compare to Weinstein, where you have dozens and dozens of people all basically accusing him of the same pattern of assaulting behavior and where it's an open secret.
     
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    None of my judgements are based upon standards in a court of law.
    All we can do is guestimate based on a preponderance of information.
    This thread is about new standards for seriously examining the powerful
    who prey upon the weak.
    Sure, sure, some alleged victims might be lying or exaggerating.
    But they shouldn't all be dismissed out of hand, particularly when so many come
    forward about some aggressors. Nor should it be based upon party affiliation.
    Bill escaped judgement back in the day. This appears to be changing, even
    among those of his political stripes. I find this change significant...hence the OP.
     
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    I pretty much agree with you. I doubt anything is going to happen to Bill Clinton, though. It doesn't help that his accusers have made themselves look horrible by throwing in with the Republicans as part of their political vendetta against the Clintons and Wiley has a history of lying. I doubt anything will come of this. Personally, I'm sick of hearing about the Clintons. I don't understand the right-wing's obsession with them. As for the liberals, I think it's basically a political maneuver like I said.
     
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    All of politics is sickening.
    I try to avoid letting that affect me.
     
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    Ain't that the truth?

    I wonder how they manage.
     
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    Cognitive dissonance does wonders. I am curious to see how this whole thing plays out. Yes, Clinton was wrong in his actions and he got away with it. That does not justify continued bad actions. Our morals as a country are constantly improving. Now we are beginning to see that even politicians cannot abuse women, even if they take a holier than thou attitude in public. In some ways I would like to see Moore get elected. The collateral damage to the Republican party would more than make up for that one senate seat in my opinion. Though if there is any justice in the world he will have to hide in shame after this election.
     
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