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Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by Israel12, May 5, 2020.

  1. three1

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    It is written that you shall not take your wife's sister to make her jealous. So the Bible doesn't really say it's forbidden.
    That was not consensual sex. One could say that Lot was "raped" by his daughters.(Genesis 19:31-36)

    But of course, there were moments when the law was "broken" by God-fearing people and God did nothing, but these were exceptions that had to be made.
     
  2. Rival

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    It says,

    And you shall not take a woman with her sister [in marriage] as rivals, to uncover the nakedness of one upon the other, in her lifetime.

    Of course they're going to rival each other. They're sisters.
    It's an opinion that the second time was at least consensual and he should have known better.

    Still, if you throw out the Noahide Laws I can't help you. If you're too stuck on your 'Talmud is not viable' then this argument is going nowhere. I believe in the Rabbinic authority, the Oral Law and as a result Orthodox Judaism.
     
  3. three1

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    Doesn't always have to be.
    I do not think so.
    I am not throwing the Noahide Laws out, the laws are good, and all the laws are there in the Bible, but I say that there are many more (important) laws that concern non-Jews.
     
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    That were given to Jews. Not to non-Jews. You can follow the majority of them if you want (such things as the Shabbat are not allowed to non-Jews) but you're not commanded them and shouldn't treat them as though you are; this is the position of Orthodox Judaism. It'd be nice if non-Jews stop trying to co-opt the Torah.
     
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    No one can say for certain today that he is a Jew in the flesh. So who do you mean by Jews?
    Furthermore, the Torah does not belong to any man, it belongs to God, because not a single man wrote the Bible, but it was God through men.

    And if you think Jews are special or better then you are wrong, for God does not make a difference between a non-Jew and Jew, all are equal.

    Are you children of Israel not to me like the children of Cush?
    (Amos 9:7)

    Do not say: "We have Abraham as father"; for I tell you that God is able to raise children to Abraham from these stones.
    (Luke 3:8)


    Not the children of Israel are the chosen ones, but the children of poverty.

    If a man with a golden ring and splendid clothing enters your synagogue, and a poor man in unclean clothing enters, but you look at the one who wears the splendid clothing and say, 'Do you sit comfortably here, and to the poor man you say, 'Do you stand there, or do you sit here under my footstool; and have you not made a difference among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts? Listen, my beloved brethren: Has not God chosen the worldly poor to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which he has promised to those who love him?
    (James 2:2)
     
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    Blah blah Jews are fakes blah blah Christian scripture blah blah lack of understanding of Judaism blah blah.
     
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    What do you mean? Where did I say that?

    No one can prove that he is a descendant of the ancient Hebrews.
     
  8. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Jews have 613 laws as God gave in the Torah. These laws were not given to the nations of the world. There is some crossover with universals, such as not murdering, stealing, committing adultery, etc. But people need to remember that these laws were given to Israel.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    This is just nonsense. We know we are Jews. Who do you think you are to tell us we are not?
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    You're just not used to the idea that a priestly people has more rules than the non-priestly people. Even in human societies, those who are moral leaders usually have to abide by stricter standards. If you hung around Jews and Noahides more often, this would not seem as crazy to you.
     
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  11. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    You are definitely implying that we Jews who make these claims cannot support them, meaning we are "fake Jews." This is a really common form of anti-Semitism, to say that Jews are not really Jews.
     
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  12. Israel12

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    I agree like Psalms 147:19-20 says. However at the end of the day when the messiah has Dominion and Israel is in rulership and these heathens are subject to us then they will keep the laws of God regardless
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    No, I have to disagree. There is no reason whatsoever for a non-Jew to obstain from pork. Such a prohibition is only for Jews. Why? Just as the Kohanim, the priests, have special laws that apply to them and set them apart from regular Jews, so Israel as a priestly people has special laws which apply only to us and set us apart from the Nations. It doesn't make us better; it just is because we have a different vocation.

    You say, "us," and your name is Israel. So are you a Jew? But you have chosen not to observe the Jewish covenant?
     
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    So
    I don't see non Jews eating pork in the kingdom but I'm speaking of things like keeping feast of Tabernacles and civil disputes etc.

    I'm an israelite of the tribe of Judah
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Non Jews are not required to keeped the Holy Days given to Israel to keep. The prophets teach that someday non-Jews will keep Sukkot. Thats about it.

    It is very odd tat you say Israelite instead of Jew. Why do you do that?
     
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    Concerning the issue of Jews not knowing who is a Jew today. I did a couple of videos a few years that detail how modern Jews know today what our ancestry is. See the videos below.



    This one is a bit older and I plan on redoing it at some point but is useful.

     
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    And things like Sabbaths and new moons.

    And how is that odd when Paul did the same
     
  18. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    And if it's on YouTube it has to be true.

    Again, this is just stupid. Do people go around telling the Lakota that they are not really Lakota, or the Inuit that they are not really Inuit, or the Zulu that they are not really Zulu?

    We know who we are. It is sheer chutzpah that outsiders butt into our affairs as if they know our culture, our religion, our ways, and what makes us, "us."
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    It never says that non-Jews will keep the Shabbat. It does say that converts will keep the Shabbat.

    We don't live two thousand years ago, when Paul was around. We live today, and we call ourselves Jews.

    It is correct to say "B'nei Yisrael" when we speak Hebrew. But no one, no one says they are an Israelite except those who aren't really Jewish. KNow that I consider you highly suspect.
     
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    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you
     
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