Paul said the rapture takes place at the "last trumpet". So that would obviously be the 7th trumpet of Revelation.
The “last” trumpet does not necessarily mean the “7th” trumpet of Revelation.
The Greek “eschatos” (“last”) can mean last in point of time
or last in point of series
If Paul is referring to the 7th trumpet as the "last trumpet", where does the trumpet that sounds "after
the tribulation of those days" (Matthew 24:31) fit into your eschatology?
Secondly, it would have been difficult for the Thessalonians to associate the trumpet described to them with the trumpet in Revelation, since Revelation had not even been written at the time of Paul's epistle to them.
Third, your analysis would have to reconcile a 7th trumpet that lasts for days and Paul 's description of a trumpet that lasts for a moment.
Lastly, even if by some chance the trumpets are the same, it does not negate the rapture. In fact, those who believe in a mid and post tribulation claim precisely this.
Good question. Who did the flood take away though? The righteous or the sinners? It took away the sinners. This is not necessarily about the rapture. If you read what Jesus said in Luke 17:20-37
; the disciples ask Him "where Lord?" (because He keeps saying people will be taken away) Jesus reply is "Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." So, that to me, means that the people being "taken" are the ones who die. The ones left are left alive. So, that doesn't describe a rapture to me. Can you prove in the face of the evidence in Luke 17
that this is indeed a rapture?
I see a number of problems with such an analysis.
First, if the people, “taken”, are sinners, where are they being taken to, and how does this fit into your overall eschatology? Are you arguing for a rapture of the unrighteous?
Secondly, if by “ taken” you mean “death” or “die”…on what basis are you interpreting ”taken” in such a manner? The Greek παραλαμβάνω (paralambano) is used 7 times by Luke and 50 times in the New Testament. Not once, anywhere, does it mean “death”:
Paralambano: to receive near, that is, associate with oneself (in any familiar or intimate act or relation); by analogy to assume an office; figuratively to learn: - receive, take (unto, with).
Neither am I aware of any Greek scholar who equates “taken” with “dying” or “death”.
What we know for sure is that was prophecy to one assembly in Asia Minor. Can you prove it is prophecy to every Christian?
The letters sent to the congregations are didactic and applicable to all Christians.
If you believe this was a prophesy to one assembly in Asia Minor, and thus not applicable to every Christian, then I see no reason for some to believe only Ephesians compose the actual body of Christ, , only the Corinthians saw things through a “glass darkly”, and that 1st Peter was addressed only to the Jewish exiles dispersed throughout the Roman empire. As such the New Testament would not be directed to Americans, Australians, French, Bolivians or others Christian nationalities living in our modern age.
We know that elsewhere in the book of Revelation we see many saints beheaded and the Antichrist making war against the saints. So who are they?
I am not a proponent of replacement theology so I believe they are Jewish Christians.
Furthermore, in 2 Thess. 2, Paul seems to indicate that Jesus will not return and we will not be gathered to Him until the antichrist is revealed.
Correct, but I’m not seeing how this impacts post, mid or even pre-tribulation eschatology.
Eventually yes. Yet, what Jesus previously said in that prayer is not negated by this.
That would be correct, but I’m not arguing John 17:24 negates John 17:15. All I’m saying is that John 17:15 cannot be seen to negate the rapture in lieu of John 17:24 because they are not mutually exclusive.
Which makes the rest of us look not so smart to the outside world.
True, we face temptation. Yet as you say Satan is restrained for now in many ways. He will be unleashed for a time and Apollyon will be unlocked from the pit. We'll have to face the wrath of satan and apollyon. Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against the church.
Also agreed. The tribulation period will be full of horrors…the scope of which the world has never seen before.