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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Messianic Israelite, Aug 11, 2022.

  1. Messianic Israelite

    Messianic Israelite Active Member

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    Hi metis. Good afternoon. The first followers of the Messiah were Jews. Were those Jews who followed Yahshua required to keep the Law, yet the Gentiles that were to later enter the assembly not required to? Respectfully, that doesn't make much sense. What did Yahshua say in John 4:22? "You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." If the Law is not binding on Gentiles, then how will the Gentiles enter the New Covenant. I already quoted from Jeremiah 31 in my last post to you, clearly showing that the New Covenant is the Law of Yahweh written on our hearts. Jewish hearts. Gentile hearts. It doesn't matter.

    Further, it's not prudent to call oneself Gentiles. The worshipers of Yahweh must be Israelite's. You can read Jacob 1:1 "Jacob, a servant of Yahweh and of the Master Yahshua the Messiah, to the twelve tribes which are of the Dispersion, greeting." Also read Revelation 21:12. You won't get in to the new Jerusalem unless you fall within one of tribes of Israel, in other words, you have to be an Israelite. The Israelite's have been scattered throughout the nations and intermingled throughout the nations of the world (Amos 9:9). If the Bible message resonates with someone, it may well be that some of those Israelite genes were activated. The preachers of worldly Chr-stianity keep stressing that its adherents are gentiles, but are they? Are they not gentilized Israelites?

    But to go back to your point. You cannot claim a different set of rules for Gentiles, than for Jews. Galatians 3:28 says "There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one man in the Messiah Yahshua." Yahshua is my Savior and I know he is horrified when people claim that the Laws he so perfectly kept should be done away with and not kept by the Gentiles. Take this as an example. If a Gentile breaks the seventh day Sabbath, and as a result is overworked and gets all manner of health problems, spiritual and physical, would you be able to look that person in the face and claim the Law has been done away with? The Law has not been done away with. That's a Satanic lie that will rob people of their salvation. You will not be in the Kingdom of Yahweh if you don't keep the Laws of Yahweh.

    Romans 1:16 says: "For I am not ashamed of the good news: for it is the power of Yahweh unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." The question is, are you ashamed of the good news? And if not, why don't you agree with what Paul says here that the good news is the same good news for the Jew and for Gentile?
     
  2. Messianic Israelite

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    Hi Dogknox20. Good afternoon. All is well, thank you. In John 20:28 where your translation has “My Lord and my God!”, mine has, "My Sovereign and my Elohim". Thomas wouldn't have used the term "God", he would have used the term "Elohim" which has a slightly different meaning. This becomes abundantly clear when you come to realize that the New Testament was most likely originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic. Yahshua's first adherents were Jews remember. Further, if Yahshua is Yahweh's Son, how can He be the Almighty? Yahweh sent Yahshua to this earth (1 John 4:9) showing a clear hierarchy. Yahshua didn't send himself. He took orders off His Creator. Constantly throughout the scriptures we see that Yahshua was in subjection to Yahweh, not the other way round, or not them having an equal share of power as we read in Philippians 2:6 "who, existing in the form of Elohim, counted not the being on an equality with Elohim a thing to be grasped".
     
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    Messianic Israelite Christians believe "Jesus is God"!
    Christians believe in the "Trinity"!

    Hebrew names for God and the observance of the Mosaic Law as a condition for salvation is blatant teaching and preaching.
    Denial of the Triune essence of the Godhead, the denial of the deity of Christ and the co-essentiality of the Holy Spirit within the Godhead highlight anti-Christian doctrines.

    Messianic Israelite Jesus established a CHURCH on "ROCK" not sand! The CHURCH Jesus established has all of God' AUTHORITY to teach all nations! TO....

    Messianic Israelite
    to believe the Church Jesus built on ROCK had in fact failed is to call Jesus a fool!
    Matthew 7:26
    But everyone who hears these words of mine and does not put them into practice is like a foolish man who built his house on sand.

    Messianic Israelite Jesus is ALWAYS WITH his CHURCH to the very end of time!
    Matthew 28:20
    Teach them to obey everything that I have told you to do. You can be sure that I will be with you always. I will continue with you until the end of time.”

    To believe; Jesus abandoned his CHURCH is to reject the scriptures! I will be with you always.
    To believe; that somehow Satan had overpowered Jesus and Satan TOOK the Body of Jesus (His Church) from Jesus is to believe Satan has more power then God! I will be with you always. I will continue with you until the end of time.”

    Thomas addresses Jesus as "Lord & God"! 61 CHRISTIAN Scripture Translators all EXPERTS have written "My Lord and My God"!
    One (1) has written..
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    Thomas responded to Yeshua, “My Lord and my God!
    NOT one of these Sixty Two scripture translators has written.. "My Sovereign and my Elohim"

    Messianic Israelite I must venture to say the scripture you use is corrupted!
     
  4. Messianic Israelite

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    Hi Dogknox20. Good afternoon. One of the basic tenets taught by nominal Chr-stianity is the trinity. The Chr-stian religion is based predominantly upon a firm belief in this doctrine. Many groups make this one doctrine a test of fellowship. If you believe the teaching of the trinity, you are accepted, regardless of how sinful your group is, or what other teachings they believe. If you disavow this doctrine you are rejected and labeled as a cultist. It is a subject highly charged with emotion, but can the trinity be proven from the Word? No it can't. How one can reject the Law of Yahweh and Yahshua's true name, yet emphasize a teaching that even Christians themselves don't understand is certainly paradoxical and my opinion is that it is a ploy by Satan to emphasize the need to believe in a doctrine that has nothing to do with the Bible. Many Trinity's known as Triads were worshipped in pagan worship and this has been incorporated by Chr-stianity. The apostles did not believe in the Trinity. Neither did Yahshua our Savior. You allude to the scripture where Peter confessed that Yahshua was the Messiah when you talk about the Ch-rch being built upon the Rock. Let's read the scripture that you refer to. Matthew 16:

    "15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living Elohim.” 17 Yahshua replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. 18 And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Messiah."

    The rock here doesn't represent the Ch-rch or Assembly, it represents the confession that Yahshua is the Messiah. The assembly would be built on that confession. Since we know that the Messiah's name was not Jesus, what is this confession relating to? It's relating to the fact that Yahshua is the Messiah.

    In terms of Matthew 28:20, yes, Yahshua is speaking to his disciples. The Roman Catholic Church is not the true assembly. How can it be? They reject Yahweh and His Law and have incorporated many pagan teachings amongst their group. I mean, the RCC is pagan through and through. Teachings like the Immaculate Conception. Are these teachings at all scriptural? I am afraid they are complete prevarications of the truth. You say the scripture I have used is corrupted. Please explain this. The term Elohim was used in the Hebrew Scriptures where modern translators have used the term 'G-d', this was no doubt the same for the New Testament hence the confusion.

    Let's look at the scripture "My lord and my God". The term L-rd is in Strong's concordance kyrios (Key) G2962 - kyrios - Strong's Greek Lexicon (asv) (blueletterbible.org) and one of the definitions is Master, or Sovereign. We don't use the term L-rd because of its close association with Baal. If you have Companion Bible you can see the notes of what it says about Baal and Lord.

    Thomas would've used the term 'Elohim' not the term 'God'. The translators used the closest term they could find but it does not capture the essence of the term Elohim.

    The true assembly will be the one keeping Yahweh's commandments and holding the faith of Yahshua (Revelation 12:17). The Roman Catholic Church does not qualify.
     
  5. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    No, they were required. Most theologians believe that many or most of the first converts were "God Fearers", namely Gentiles who believed in the God of Abraham but chose not to convert to Judaism and be circumcised.

    There never was any requirement for Christians to follow the literal 613 Commandments found in Torah. Paul, for example, tells converts not to get circumcised, which was required under Torah. Jesus' teachings took a different tact not too dissimilar to Hillel the Elder's.

    This deals with one's judgement, thus what Jesus was saying is that all converts are equal in the eyes of God.

    That's simply not true as the 613 Commandments are not required for any Gentile convert to Christianity, and this is also what Judaism teaches as well for those who remain outside that faith. Contrary to what you post above, they are not condemned simply because they're not Jewish nor follow all of Jewish Law [halacha].
     
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