Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
And your next thought should have been, "Now why should I think something like that?"
Good start. You may also want to check into contemporary scholars such as N.T. Wright.
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The Jews killed Jesus
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And your next thought should have been, "Now why should I think something like that?"
Good start. You may also want to check into contemporary scholars such as N.T. Wright.
imaginaryme
Active Member
Consecutive thoughts from this fool? Sir, you credit me unduly.
Yeah, big O does his research - even if link number two was link number one.
Yeah, big O does his research - even if link number two was link number one.
Fixed the link. Here it is again: http://www.religiousforums.com/foru...922-addressing-dogsgod-mythic-jesus-myth.html.
However, the first link provides citations and a lot of basic information (albeit over several posts).
The fact is that historical jesus research has been ongoing since Reimarus began to question received wisdom concerning the NT in the early 1700's. So much critical research was done that almost by the start of the 20th century Albert Schweitzer could write an influential review of historical Jesus research Von Reimarus zu Wrede: Eine Geschichte der Leben-Jesu-Forschung. And didn't stop their. The one thing they all have in common, from the very skeptical to the "gospel truth" analyses, is that Jesus was historical.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
If you think the story is pure fiction, why are you even concerned about who is "most guilty?"
I've read the story probably literally 400 times. It reads the same every time. I see equal guilt between Jews and Gentiles in putting Jesus to death every time I read the story. I've never seen it any other way - not when I was seven, or seventeen, or forty seven.
kai
ragamuffin
accept to take Mathews wording as Jewish culpability?
DarkSun
:eltiT
Not pure fiction...
Read history.
And I think you missed her point, IMO. Both the Romans and the Jews were to blame in the story.
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YmirGF
Bodhisattva in Recovery
In answer to your question, I was merely pointing out a double-standard being employed by TashaN (The_Truth). The idea being that someone who is as adept as he for pointing out that all Muslims are not guilty of the atrocities committed by some Muslims, one would think that he would see right through the fallacy of his own reasoning outlined in the OP. Perhaps that expecting a lot though. Evidently the point sailed over the heads of others too.
kai
ragamuffin
Details, details, details... kai. Really, get with the program, man.
as my son would say "This does my head in" i just dont get it ? the blame thing? As the story goes God scrificed his own son, Jesus went to the cross because he was supposed to, there is no blame , sheesh and people wonder why there is Atheists about. stop moving the goal posts people.
I dont beleive any of it but i feel the the blood libel needs addressing whenever i see it.
DarkSun
:eltiT
Agreed.
It's funny, really.
Didn't Hitler use the whole "the Jews killed Jesus" as a basis for his discrimination?
Jews didn't kill Jesus. People killed Jesus.
Our tendancy to persecute others is part of the reason that He had to die... according to the story, anyway.
It's kind of ironic how there are Christians who place the blame on one group of people despite that. It's almost as if He died for nothing. :S
And isn't it a good thing that Jesus died, anyway?
Why are people talking about His death as if it were a bad thing?
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imaginaryme
Active Member
Aha! Now I get it... I can understand scholarship. There is an agenda behind my skepticism, which is not currently relevant. Good luck with the dissertation.
Exactly. In this regard they are nothing but anti-Jewish propaganda, just like this thread!
Couldn't say it better myself. Disgusting propaganda.
Caladan
Agnostic Pantheist
Consider that the producer of this thread is also busy in some active holocaust denying on another thread, I see nothing surprising in blaming the Jews for the death of Jesus in the old antisemitic blood label. its OK to deny some of the facts of WWII, AND propagating a primitive blood label with no connection to reality at the same time. there is an obvious pattern here.
this thread is not deserving of any coherent answers by the Jewish members, seeing as im sure im not the only member here who's family was butchered by the Nazis, or betrayed to the Nazis by Christians who propagated the primitive Jews killed Jesus mythos.
As for the rest of the thread, its always amazing to see what some of our more superficial members reveal about themselves and think on the subject.
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This doesn't make sense to me Tashan. If he didn't break Roman law, why was he condemned by a Roman Governor and crucified by Roman soldiers?
DarkSun
:eltiT
Obviously, because Jesus was sending Jewish wine-makers bankrupt. It was all a compsiracy to stop Him turning water into wine!
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Dunemeister
Well-Known Member
Wow, Jews writing anti-Jewish propaganda. Weird.
Kathryn
It was on fire when I laid down on it.
Don't believe everything people tell you online.
And by the way, haven't you ever seen Dave Chappell's skit about the black KKK Grand Imperial Wizard? Sheeze!
1. Roman law wasn't all that clear. Even for roman citizens, the authorities had a great deal of power.
2. Jesus wasn't a roman citizen. He didn't have to break any laws in order to be executed for being a public nuisance. All he had to do was cause enough trouble.
Your points seem irrelevant to mine.
Let me try again. You asked "If he didn't break Roman law, why was he condemned by a Roman Governor and crucified by Roman soldiers?"
The point is that you don't need to break roman law to be condemned and crucified by roman soldiers, particularly if you aren't a roman citizen.