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The Jew The Christian The Muslim. Can YOU Help The Therapist?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Lionel Refson, Jun 27, 2019.

  1. Lionel Refson

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    A therapist has three patients. One is Jewish and suffers from terrible feelings of guilt and fear because he does not keep any of the 613 commandments and to make matters worse, he lives in an anti-semitic road and yet he feels above the locals because he is jewish.. The next is a catholic woman who suffers from the same sort of feelings because she is a lesbian and the local Muslims spit at her and she can't deal with the hate she feels for them. She knows it is wrong but still.... and the third is a Muslim who married a secular woman . His family has disowned him, his parents won't speak to him and to complicate the issue he lives in a muslim-hating neighbourhood. He also has a lot of hate against who he calls pigs. All three patients have tried to get help from their local religious rabbi/priest/Imam, but so strong was their religious upbringing the help just did not cut it

    One day these three patients, all sat in the therapists waiting room have a heated row about, of all things religion. It started innocuously enough, but by the end of it they were each demanding to know the same thing ie "If your religion is so peaceful why does it say in the koran/torah/bible etc .
    The therapist rushes out, manages to calm each one down and sees each one in turn, for their session.

    Months go by and each one of the patients religiously keep to their weekly session with the therapist and yet none get better. The therapist has tried to prescribe pills but for various reasons the patients have refused them. One is allergic to them, one refuses them on moral grounds and the third had a relative who overdosed on them and is worried he might do it as well, The Doctor realizes that no amount of therapy can deal with his patients issues and he is at a loss especially considering that none of the three have, in his opinion the right sort of family support.

    The doctor is convinced that his patients have what he refers to as the "seed of certainty" that God will punish them in some way and that seed has been firmly implanted in their brain for years with reinforcements galore from family and religion. The doctor, feeling helpless terminates the therapies and contacts you as a last resort, before alerting the asylum/mental health incarceration facility. You are well known as an expert in all religions

    From personal experience my belief system as outlined on this forum at Am I Wrong To Think That There Is A God, But Not Operating In This World helped me overcome psychosis and feelings of fear brought on by my religious upbringing and exacerbated by the terrible acts of isis extremists but that probably would only work for me

    How would you be able to help these patients?. If you cannot help them why cannot you help them and what recommendations would you make to the patients family, religious leader and ultimately to your local mental health board, considering that there are thousand of people in your country and overseas with exactly the same sort of problems, ruining their lives and the lives of those around them.
     
  2. BSM1

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    When I read your title I thought you had accidentally ran two words together. I thought you meant "...Can you help the rapist?". Now that would have been interesting.
     
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    I'd tell them to trust God. God is not a burden, God is a benefit. If God is feeling like a burden then they are doing something wrong. If they believe in God they should believe that God is in charge. They just need to remain faithful and let God take care of the rest.
     
  4. Lionel Refson

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    What if the Jew tells you that God never helped the Jews in the Holocaust, or answered their prayers and instead punished them as he will be punished?
    What would you say to the Catholic lesbian who is convinced she is hellbound?
     
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    Same thing.

    If you are meant to be punished or if your are hell bound, not much you could do against God. Assuming God is righteous then God's actions are righteous. One has to accept going to hell/punishment are righteous acts. I'd say, accept the judgement of God. Accept your fate. Who are we to argue with God?

    A person, IMO, has to accept who they are. You can't be someone you are not. If that is not worthy of the almighty, there's really not much to be done about it. God, being all knowing, it's not like you can fake it.

    Might as well be who you are and let God worry about the judgement of it.
     
  6. Brickjectivity

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    If he's a pacifist then feelings of superiority are justified. The feelings of guilt are family related, and the therapist will be able to help. The feelings of fear are unjustified, and I don't know how that would be consistent with Judaism. Feelings of fear are often caused by paranoia and other ailments and may not be related to the religion.

    Roman Catholic? Roman Catholics don't feel guilt because of anything Muslims say, because Islam appeared 600 years too late for them. I've been spat upon by a stranger before, but it wasn't a Muslim just some idiot trying to impress friends. The therapist needs no assistance in this.

    If he has a job where he's respected he's probably Ok. Otherwise he's probably not Ok. His hate of others is not directly treatable by therapy, but they would make inroads by teaching him to love himself. Family disowning is freeing, so there's an upside.
     
  7. Lionel Refson

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    True, but they do feel guilt if they are gay
     
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    I think you are right, and public shame and scrutiny are the hardest part. I think usually that's true across all cultures. Women seem particularly sensitive to public shame. Honor is often a lifelong prison for them, stronger than bars of steel.
     
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    @Lionel Refson

    If I was the therapist, I would would hypnotise all of them to be atheists, by removing their God-concepts. This would give them a chance to 'start over'.

    Here is an example of the opposite(which may be a set up), but is the same idea.
     
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  10. Lionel Refson

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    Yes, the removal of the God concept, especially a God that operates on earth is the key
     
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