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Featured The implications of reality being a simulation

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Eddi, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. Eddi

    Eddi Mark 5:9

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    It could be achieved by the over-seers interfering in the affairs of the inhabitants of The Simulation, in such a way that certain belief systems that arose there naturally would be favoured by The Simulation by it "playing God" to the inhabitants.

    That sounds a lot like The Problem of Evil and could probably be answered in a similar way

    Very true
     
  2. Valjean

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    Purpose is an extraordinary assumption, as is the even more extraordinary teological assertion. This begs evidence.
    Perhaps "simulation" is misleading. You presume an intentional programmer. Couldn't our situation be a natural simulation -- a dream, or an abstract, subjective reality based on sensory and processing deficits?
    We know the world we perceive isn't objectively "real," so what is real reality?
    In which case the suffering would be as unreal as the view?

    There are levels of 'reality', and levels of volition. Even in our present state, free will is neurologically questionable. The Neuroscience of Free Will
    It wasn't so long ago that telescopy, telegraphy, horseless carriages and sound recording seemed magical.
    How would a scientist of fifty years ago, with a slide rule, regard a pocket calculator today, much less a laptop?
    The suffering itself may be part of the simulation. People enjoy reading horror stories; watching violent films and going to war. Could we not be participating in a virtual reality computer game, where the simulation will become apparent as soon as we end the game?
     
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    You wouldn't accept what i have for evidence.
    My evidence is subjective in nature because the testing can only be done by me on me.
    What I can tell you is this..
    I put the esoteric writings to the test by doing what they say to do and found them to be correct.
    Now i pass on what i have learned through my experience.

    There are countless souls who have tested and proven true the words of the esoteric writings.
    Follow their example and the truth will be known.
    Know thyself.
     
  4. Valjean

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    Understood, but, true or not, you're the only one who can reasonably accept this assertion.
     
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    Could you give an example of the sort of "interference" by the "overseers" you are referring to by which a belief system would be transferred to the other parts of (the simulated "persons" in) the computer simulation?

    Regardless of whatever "interference" that might be, the overseers would not be transferring an actual objective moral fact, but the mere belief that there are objective moral facts.

    How does one answer the question as to why the creator(s) of the simulation did not create a simulation where creatures such as humans and other animals don't endure such suffering as found on earth?
     
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    The OP defines “simulism” as “the belief that we humans and our reality are somehow simulated, most likely by some kind of advanced computer,” and that “the creators of The Simulation would be a race of super-advanced beings.” Thus, accordingly, such a simulation is not something merely arises from the laws of physics without intervention of or manipulation by a “race” of “beings”.

    I do think it's important to distinguish the idea that the universe is a computer simulation from the holographic principle. Holographic principle - Wikipedia

    But the suffering remains "real" for the people and other creature upon which they perpetrate the acts that cause others to suffer.
    If the persons conducting the studies cited in this article lack the ability to choose, then they lack the ability to choose to state true claims rather than false ones about their findings as well as about the existence of free will itself.

    The denial of the existence of volition is self-stultifying of the denier regardless of whom the denier is.
     
  7. Eddi

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    I think I can, and I think I know how it could be done: take an individual inhabitant of The Simulation and interfere in his or her life and existence so that their set of beliefs and values etc. come to match yours, more or less. Then nude things along so that they become a certain way, a certain kind of person. Even control his or her virtual mind to make them think how you want them to. Then play God with them - and maybe even give them a direct line to The Simulation, or to some small part of it. And then give them a voice and see what happens. If they are successful you would then see your external morality being mirrored within The Simulation, or at least a seed of your external morality being planted. Especially if The Simulation works to somehow be supportive of certain actions and trends/memes. That would be a transference of sorts.
    Why did the creators not make it so there is no suffering within The Simulation? Because it's a simulation?? I'd answer that by posing the question: "what is the function of suffering within The Simulation?", to which I would answer: to make The Simulation a valid and realistic simulation. This is obviously important to the Overseers, even if they do occasionally interfere. But we can only really speculate about them. And I believe it is up to us humans to eliminate the causes of worldly suffering, and that this is something we have to do to mature as a species. I hope this answers your question adequately?
     
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  8. Valjean

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    "Somehow simulated" doesn't necessitate any intentional 'programmers'. It could just be basic physics and biology.
    Good point. Our five senses and brains are sufficient to navigate through an abstract simulated "reality," but are quite incapable of revealing the Reality described by physics.
    [quite]But the suffering remains "real" for the people and other creature upon which they perpetrate the acts that cause others to suffer. [/quote]What does suffering have to do with whether or not our reality is simulated?
    Of course our perceived, subjective realities seem real to us.
    Science is the gold standard for understanding our reality, simulated or not. We must live in the reality we perceive.
    What does the distastefullness of facts have to do with their reality?
     
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