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Featured The idolatry of Christianity

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by AlonNaor, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. wizanda

    wizanda One Accepts All Religious Texts
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    Zechariah 11 nullified both the Abrahamic, and the Sinai covenant, as the Leaders refused the Messiah, and paid 30 pieces of silver for the price of his head; so that the ties between Judah, Israel, and the Lord are divorced...

    This is in fulfilment of the Curse of Moses (Deuteronomy 28), where our people are then persecuted from nation to nation, and eat each others flesh being a sign of it taking place (Zechariah 11:9 = Deuteronomy 28:53-55).

    The idea the Christians following the fake Pharisee teachers: John, Paul, and Simon the stone (petros), who teach them to take what isn't theirs, is fulfilment of Zechariah 5, Isaiah 8, etc.

    Thus you're accusing Christians for what God has done. :eek:
    In the Curse of Moses it clearly stated all of this would happen, and that some of our people would claim they have Peace, which will lead to their ultimate destruction for rejecting the things of God (Deuteronomy 29:19-27).

    Hosea 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I will also reject you, that you may be no priest to me. Because you have forgotten your God’s law, I will also forget your children.

    Hosea 5:5-6 The pride of Israel testifies to his face. Therefore Israel and Ephraim will stumble in their iniquity. Judah also will stumble with them. (6) They will go with their flocks and with their herds to seek Yahweh; but they won’t find him. He has withdrawn himself from them.

    Hosea 5:15 I will go and return to my place, until they acknowledge their offence, and seek my face. In their affliction they will seek me earnestly.”

    Isaiah 43:28 Therefore I will profane the princes of the sanctuary; and I will make Jacob a curse, and Israel an insult.”

    Isaiah 65:15 You will leave your name for a curse to my chosen; and the Lord Yahweh will kill you. He will call his servants by another name,

    Jeremiah 25:18 Jerusalem, and the cities of Judah, with its kings and its princes, to make them a desolation, an astonishment, a hissing, and a curse, as it is today;

    Currently the Tribe of Judah are under the Curse, and many are blinded by their leaders to understanding it (Zechariah 12:4, Deuteronomy 28:28-29); telling us it is the Christians who have made all this happen, completely misses the Tanakh's explanation.

    In my opinion. :innocent:
     
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  2. sooda

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    What are The Replacement Denominations | Amos37
    What is Apologetics? Well it's not an apology, but a ready defense of the Truth of the Gospel.replacement-denominations
    May 01, 2010 · Replacement theology (also known as supersessionism) essentially teaches that the church has replaced Israel in God’s plan. Adherents of replacement theology believe the Jews are no longer God’s chosen people, and God does not have specific future plans for the nation of Israel.
     
  3. MJFlores

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    I see no problem here Mr. sooda.
    The Jews who refused to accept Jesus Christ as the Messiah during his time are no longer God's chosen people. The Jews today have the same predicament.
    Isn't this written in the Bible?

    Isn't it true that God was angry with the Israel even before the time of Christ?
    Isn't it true that God punished Israel by having them exiled in Babylon?

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    The Babylonian captivity or Babylonian exile is the period in Jewish history during which a number of people from the ancient Kingdom of Judah were captives in Babylonia. After the Battle of Carchemish in 605 BCE, King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon besieged Jerusalem, resulting in tribute being paid by King Jehoiakim."
    Babylonian captivity - Wikipedia
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    Hosea 2:10-12 New International Version (NIV)
    So now I will expose her lewdness
    before the eyes of her lovers;
    no one will take her out of my hands.
    I will stop all her celebrations:
    her yearly festivals, her New Moons,
    her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals
    .
    I will ruin her vines and her fig trees,
    which she said were her pay from her lovers;
    I will make them a thicket,
    and wild animals will devour them.

    That is why today the Sabbath days are no longer acknowledge by God.
    Its like you can party but I wont be joining.
    A long time ago, the Lord God spoke of the new covenant:

    Jeremiah 31:31-32 New International Version (NIV)
    “The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
    “when I will make a new covenant
    with the people of Israel
    and with the people of Judah.
    It will not be like the covenant
    I made with their ancestors

    when I took them by the hand
    to lead them out of Egypt,
    because they broke my covenant,
    though I was a husband to them,”
    declares the Lord.

    And that covenant was declared by the Lord Jesus Christ
    in the Holy Supper with his disciples

    Luke 22:20 New International Version (NIV)
    In the same way, after the supper he took the cup, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which is poured out for you.

    So those people who are observing the OLD covenant are observing an obsolete covenant, expired
    with the introduction of the NEW covenant.

    But all is not lost, there will be Jews and non Jews who will be saved come Judgement Day.
    King David and the others who observed God's laws are God's chosen people
    Abel to Jacob who are not Jews are God's chosen people.
     
  4. sooda

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    Luke never saw or heard Jesus. The four gospels are promoting Christianity over Judaism and trying to make Jesus fit the ancient prophecy. So.. this is also political.
     
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    WOW! That is really a global statement that has no validity at all. Are there some who believe that? Yes! But that surely wouldn't be the rule.

    G-d doesn't abandon covenant, people do.

    There are even Jewish people that have rejected G-d. After all, G-d was looking for the heart and there are those circumcised of the flesh but have not circumcised the heart.

    Debt 30:6 "Moreover the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, so that you may live.
     
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    whether Luke saw, heard or not is not relevant.
    I never saw or heard Jesus Christ but I follow and I believe.

    John 20:29 New International Version (NIV)
    Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

    Hosea 2:10-12
    Jeremiah 31:31-32

    Says the Jews today are no longer God's people.
    No comment on these?
    Going further let us see if the Old Testament Bible says God cut ties with the Jews:

    Jeremiah 3:7-9 New International Version (NIV)
    I thought that after she had done all this she would return to me but she did not, and her unfaithful sister Judah saw it. I gave faithless Israel her certificate of divorce and sent her away because of all her adulteries. Yet I saw that her unfaithful sister Judah had no fear; she also went out and committed adultery. Because Israel’s immorality mattered so little to her, she defiled the land and committed adultery with stone and wood.

    Israel and the Jews were once God's chosen people
    But not anymore

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    Its boasting. Why pick idolatry instead of some other term like pride? I've never heard Christianity called idolatry in this theater except in relation to its trinitarian ideas. Some say that these are either idolatry or at least worshiping other gods along with the one. To say Christianity is idolatry for other reasons seems to use a more nuanced meaning for idolatry.

    Is Christianity Avodah Zara?

    Is Christianity Avoda Zara to Christians? - YCTorah Library

    There is not any mention of Replacement Theology in the above.
     
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    Neither does the Church.

    False

    The distortion is yours.

    And that's exactly what the Church teaches! The Covenant with Israel is absolute, unconditional, irrevocable and eternal.

    And they are universal.
    Jewish tradition emphasizes the Noachide Covenant (cf. Gen 9:9-12) as containing the universal moral code which is incumbent on all humanity. This idea is reflected in Christian scripture in the book of Acts 15:28-29.
    Jewish law grants all non-Jews who accept these laws of civilization social and theological rights everywhere, as well as residency rights in a Jewish religious polity. As a result, the talmudic tradition split the gentile world into two sub-categories: immoral persons who reject the Noahide commandments and to whom tolerance is generally not extended, and gentiles who accept the laws of the Noahide covenant who are regarded positively, whom Jews are obligated to protect and sustain.

    The covenant with Noah remains in force during the times of the Gentiles,

    It appears a falsehood to you because you don't have a clue to its teachings.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Irrelevant. The term "anti-Semitic" specifically means anti-Jewish.
     
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    None of this addresses his point, much less answers it.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    I don't think the gospels advance any sort of new religion at all. They advance a heretical Jewish sect.
     
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    What do you call a person who starts a debate and disappears immediately after throwing the first complaint?

    Alan Naor is "a Jew from Jerusalem" who apparently doesn't speak or write in English, as indicated by the last line of a post identical to the OP in this thread which can be found at:

    Read more: The idolatry of Christianity is much worse than the idolatry in India! (Torah, believe) - - City-Data Forum

    Note the last line: "Written in Hebrew and translated by professional translator

    The rest of you are engaged in a food-fight with each other or with somebody who isn't "here" and who would need a translator if he were here. LOL!
     
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    sojourner Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006

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    I’m a Christian. I know many other Christians. None of us would say that we are replacing the Jewish people.
     
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    I wouldn't say that, but perhaps you are far more religious than I.
     
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    I believe God has provided the Jews salvation in Jesus. It is not God rejecting His people but His people rejecting God.
     
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    I believe that is balderdash.
     
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    I simply don't believe for one minute that only Christians can please God. Humans have been around for several million years, and yet we are to believe that only those who heard and accept Jesus, who was around only 2000 years ago, would please God?
     
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    I believe I didn't know that but then the Talmud is written by sinful men.
     
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    It isn't a question of pleasing Him but a question of salvation. Salvation is by grace not by the law. If people were saved by the law then the Bible would not be full of the sinfulness of people down through the ages. The rich young ruler said he kept the ten commandments but what more should he do to inherit eternal life. Jesus said follow Him.
     
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    I believe there is no virtue in blasphemy or idolatry and what makes you think God won't punish for it?
     
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