1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured The idolatry of Christianity

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by AlonNaor, Aug 11, 2019.

  1. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein ᛘᛁᛏᚾᛁᚴᚼᛏ᛫ᛋᚢᚾ
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2012
    Messages:
    28,387
    Ratings:
    +13,751
    Religion:
    Germanic Folk Revival
    I was referring to the exclusionary nature of it, in terms of believing that it's the only true religion and all others are corrupted or not even considered religions (Baha'i doesn't seem to acknowledge pagan and indigenous religions at all).
     
  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2013
    Messages:
    28,980
    Ratings:
    +12,251
    Religion:
    Catholic-- liberal & ecumenical
    Some Christian denominations now reject replacement theology, and the Catholic Church is one of them.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
  3. OtherSheep

    OtherSheep <--- Bethulah

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    617
    Ratings:
    +61
    Religion:
    Gospel of the Kingdom
    "The application to me of insulting epithets, like that of "infidel," by
    certain divines who have argued the question in opposition to my views,
    will neither strengthen their position, nor tarnish my character."--Agassiz


    Which begs the question, which races are Semitic?
    It must matter, since it's a legal issue in many countries.
    Here's a partial answer... :--

    Gen25:1 "And Abraam again took a wife, whose name was Chettura. 5 But Abraam gave all his possessions to Isaac his son."

    "It may not be improper to observe farther, that Moses Chorenensis, in his history of the Armenians, informs us that the nation of the Parthians was also derived from Abraham, by Keturah, and her children."

    Complete works of Josephus; Antiquities of the Jews, The wars of the Jews, Against Apion, etc. etc : Josephus, Flavius : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

    "During the height of the power of the Seleucidae, while they controlled all the oriental
    nations, there sprang up amongst the Parthians a prince named Arsaces, descended from Abraham by Keturah, who throwing off the Seleucian yoke, by many successful events, established himself in the city of Bahl, in the land of Cassoei."
    A History Of Armenia Vol I : Chamich Father Micheal : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

    The Face of the Parthian Arsaces, progeny of Keturah.

    Indigenous races of the earth; or, New chapters of ethnological inquiry; including monographs on special departments of philology, iconography, cranioscopy, palaeontology, pathology, archaeology, comparative geography, and natural history; : Nott, Josiah Clark, 1804-1873 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive
    ________________________

    John8:37
    "I know that ye are Abraham's seed;
    but ye seek to kill Me, because My word hath no place in you."--Jesus.

     
    #23 OtherSheep, Aug 12, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  4. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein ᛘᛁᛏᚾᛁᚴᚼᛏ᛫ᛋᚢᚾ
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2012
    Messages:
    28,387
    Ratings:
    +13,751
    Religion:
    Germanic Folk Revival
    Not interested in your stupid blather.
     
  5. OtherSheep

    OtherSheep <--- Bethulah

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    617
    Ratings:
    +61
    Religion:
    Gospel of the Kingdom
    #25 OtherSheep, Aug 12, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  6. susanblange

    susanblange Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2019
    Messages:
    328
    Ratings:
    +73
    Religion:
    Jewish/New Age
    I should be able to do that by this weekend. I've read the highlighted verses in the 4 gospels and it's just a matter of putting it together.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  7. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein ᛘᛁᛏᚾᛁᚴᚼᛏ᛫ᛋᚢᚾ
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2012
    Messages:
    28,387
    Ratings:
    +13,751
    Religion:
    Germanic Folk Revival
  8. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2013
    Messages:
    28,980
    Ratings:
    +12,251
    Religion:
    Catholic-- liberal & ecumenical
    That's not what the word "idolatry" means though.

    Correct.

    Since when is the belief in haShem a "falsehood", as both observant Jews and Christians believe in Him?
     
  9. OtherSheep

    OtherSheep <--- Bethulah

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    617
    Ratings:
    +61
    Religion:
    Gospel of the Kingdom
    :cool:

    Many people don't want to think about what Jesus said re: those who claim to be Jews.
    It's only surprising when those people also claim to follow the Gospel of the Kingdom.
     
  10. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein ᛘᛁᛏᚾᛁᚴᚼᛏ᛫ᛋᚢᚾ
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2012
    Messages:
    28,387
    Ratings:
    +13,751
    Religion:
    Germanic Folk Revival
    You mean the people who put the words into the mouth of the long dead Jesus. They hated Jews who refused to convert, yes. Jesus was long dead by then so we don't really know his thoughts on it.

    I'm not a Christian (should be obvious) so I don't care about your NT-based Jew-hating ramblings. Christianity is largely garbage to me. I actually have more respect for Judaism and Islam, although I criticize all of them.
     
    #30 Saint Frankenstein, Aug 12, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
    • Like Like x 1
  11. Scheherazade

    Scheherazade Member

    Joined:
    Jul 22, 2019
    Messages:
    43
    Ratings:
    +22
    Religion:
    Undecided
    "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses's seat: all therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do" (Matthew 23:2-3).
     
    • Like Like x 1
  12. OtherSheep

    OtherSheep <--- Bethulah

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    617
    Ratings:
    +61
    Religion:
    Gospel of the Kingdom
    Matt15:24 "But He answered and said, 'I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.'"--Jesus.

    Lost Sheep of the Divided Kingdom
    34 "I will not take the whole kingdom from his hand. I will allow him to be ruler for the rest of his life for the sake of My chosen servant David who kept My commandments and rules. 35 I will take the kingdom from the hand of his son and give ten tribes to you."

    The Repurposed Vessel of Israel
    18:1 The word that came from the Lord to 2 Jeremias, saying, Arise, and go down to the potter’s house, and there thou shalt hear my words. 3 So I went down to the potter’s house, and behold, he was making a vessel on the stones. 4 And the vessel which he was making with his hands fell: so he made it again another vessel, as it seemed good to him to make it. 5 And the word of the Lord came to me, saying,
    6 Shall I not be able, O house of Israel, to do to you as this potter? ...

    Juda "cannot be mended again"
    19:1 Then said the Lord to me, Go and get an earthen bottle, the work of the potter, and thou shalt bring some of the elders of the people, and of the priests; 2 and thou shalt go forth to the burial-place of the sons of their children, which is at the entrance of the gate of Charsith; and do thou read there all these words which I shall speak to thee: 3 and thou shalt say to them, Hear ye the word of the Lord, ye kings of Juda, and men of Juda, and the dwellers in Jerusalem, and they that enter in by these gates; thus saith the Lord God of Israel; ... 10 And thou shalt break the bottle in the sight of the men that go forth with thee, 11 and thou shalt say, Thus saith the Lord, Thus will I break in pieces this people, and this city, even as an earthen vessel is broken in pieces which cannot be mended again."

    Matt21:43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof."

    Rev11:12 "And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven."

    Rev12:17 "And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

    Rev22:17 "And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

    Michaeas 6:8 "Has it not been told thee, O man, what is good? or what does the Lord require of thee, but to do justice, and love mercy, and be ready to walk with the Lord thy God?"
     
    #32 OtherSheep, Aug 12, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  13. OtherSheep

    OtherSheep <--- Bethulah

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    617
    Ratings:
    +61
    Religion:
    Gospel of the Kingdom
    Matt19:8 He saith unto them, "Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so."

    Matt22:36-40 Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law?
    Jesus said unto him, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment.
    And the second [is] like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
    On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
    Matt19:18-19 Jesus said, "Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honour thy father and [thy] mother: and Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself."

    Matt23:13 "But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in."

    Matt21:38 "But when the husbandmen saw the Son, they said among themselves, This is the Heir; come, let us kill Him, and let us seize on His inheritance. 39 And they caught Him, and cast [Him] out of the vineyard, and slew [Him]. ... 43 "Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. 44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder. 45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard His parables, they perceived that He spake of them."
     
    #33 OtherSheep, Aug 12, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 12, 2019
  14. OtherSheep

    OtherSheep <--- Bethulah

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    617
    Ratings:
    +61
    Religion:
    Gospel of the Kingdom
    That which is called Christianity is, too often, actually Babylonian Talmudic Paulianity... which is, as you say, a distinctly Jewish movement... Paul being a Benjamite member of the 3 southern tribes, of the Divided Kingdom, collectively called Judah.

    Jesus came to tell His sheep what Our Heavenly Father originally said, minus Mosaic allowances.
    Matthew 5-6 makes this fact abundantly clear by the preface, "But I say unto you..."
     
  15. OtherSheep

    OtherSheep <--- Bethulah

    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2018
    Messages:
    617
    Ratings:
    +61
    Religion:
    Gospel of the Kingdom
    Judaism and Islam base their faith upon the writings they found on clay tablets... written by non-semitic Sumerians and Hurrians.
     
  16. Riders

    Riders Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2015
    Messages:
    5,571
    Ratings:
    +1,323
    Religion:
    Unitarian Universalism,Pagan,Zen
    Well I dated a Jewish guy named Mitch. He claimed they don't condemn other religions outside of theirs.
     
  17. 74x12

    74x12 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2017
    Messages:
    2,919
    Ratings:
    +712
    Religion:
    Itiswhatitis
    God didn't forsake the Jews until they forsook Him first. And, no He has not completely abandoned them but waits for everyone to turn to Him again. As the Jews will be turned to Him again but not yet. Why not yet? Because they listen to men and they put their trust in human princes; not God.

    As for Israel, we know in the days of Samuel they turned from God and desired a human king. They got what they wanted but not what they needed. The Jews will be restored to God when they return to Him and when He is their King. So if they want to find God again; the Jews have to go back the same way they went away from God. And a Jew told me this.

    In the meantime as the scripture prophecies your tables are made a snare to you and what was meant for your welfare is now a trap. You don't understand the Torah or the Tanakh as it was prophesied you don't understand it.

    The noahide laws are not in the holy scriptures. They are a fabrication. A creation by Rabbis. God didn't give it to Noah or anyone in the scriptures. The Noahide laws would be interpreted by Rabbis and these Rabbis would forbid Christians to worship Jesus on the grounds that it is "idolatry". When we Christians know for sure that Jesus is God manifest. So, even though we Christians know it is not idolatry; yet the Noahide laws are created by Rabbis and interpreted by Rabbis. So we will never submit to the Noahide laws. Any Christians who do submit to the Noahide laws are unwise and ultimately must eventually deny Jesus Christ.

    I believe God is going to give the Jews another chance. It's not over until it's over.
    Hope you understand I have nothing against Jews; but I believe your Rabbis are dead wrong.
     
  18. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein ᛘᛁᛏᚾᛁᚴᚼᛏ᛫ᛋᚢᚾ
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2012
    Messages:
    28,387
    Ratings:
    +13,751
    Religion:
    Germanic Folk Revival
    They usually don't. I do have criticisms of Judaism but it's not that big of a target for me. My biggest issue with Judaism is the idea that Yahweh is the one true universal deity, as it clashes with Judaism's obvious tribal aspects. If they just worshipped Yahweh as the tribal deity of the Jews, fine.
     
  19. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein ᛘᛁᛏᚾᛁᚴᚼᛏ᛫ᛋᚢᚾ
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2012
    Messages:
    28,387
    Ratings:
    +13,751
    Religion:
    Germanic Folk Revival
    Jesus and all the early Christians were Jewish. Get over it or find a new religion.

    I have no idea what you're talking about and don't care.
     
  20. MJFlores

    MJFlores Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 17, 2017
    Messages:
    2,158
    Ratings:
    +293
    Religion:
    Iglesia Ni Cristo (Church of Christ)
    I believe you were referring to Catholics and Protestants.
    Because Christianity is entirely different from them.
    People who wear the pendant, possess statues are not Christians
    in the point of view of Christ in the Bible


    [​IMG]

    Jesus Christ and his apostles never preached to worship idols
    In fact Jesus Christ and his apostles were all born Jews
    Before establishing the Church and thereby the Christian faith
    And to prove that the Christian teaching does not preach the veneration, worship and keeping of idols the following appear in the Christian bible:


    Acts 15:20 New International Version (NIV)
    Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood.

    Acts 15:29 New International Version (NIV)
    You are to abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality. You will do well to avoid these things.

    Farewell.

    1 Corinthians 5:9-11 New International Version (NIV)
    I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the people of this world who are immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters. In that case you would have to leave this world. But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

    1 Corinthians 6:8-10 New International Version (NIV)
    Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    1 Corinthians 8:4 New International Version (NIV)
    So then, about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that “An idol is nothing at all in the world” and that “There is no God but one.”

    Now if a so called Christian is an idolater and/or does not believe “There is no God but one.” as mentioned in the Christian Bible then that is not a Christian, not really a follower of Christ and Christ does not know him/her even though they are professing their so called Christian faith in the open.

    Matthew 7:22-23 New International Version (NIV)
    Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

    upload_2019-8-13_11-40-32.jpeg

     
Loading...