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The Holy Spirit is God (my belief)

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Teritos, Feb 28, 2021.

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  1. Teritos

    Teritos Active Member

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    Hebrews 3:7-11
    Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: Today, when you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts, as in the bitterness, in the day of temptation in the desert, where your fathers tempted me by testing me, yet they saw my works forty years. Therefore I was angry with this generation and said, They always go astray with their hearts, but they have not known my ways. So I swore in my anger: If they will enter into my rest!
     
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    LightofTruth Well-Known Member

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    The writer is quoting from psalm 95. He says, "as the Holy Spirit says" because the one who wrote the psalm was inspired by God's spirit.

    Some of us believe that the one true God (the Father) is the ultimate Author of Scripture because the men who wrote it were inspired by that one true God. The Father can place His spirit (Holy) on another so that they can accomplish His will in ways that they naturally could not.
     
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    URAVIP2ME Veteran Member

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    I find Paul at Hebrews 3:7-8 was referring back to Psalms 95:7-11 about 'listening' to God's voice.
    Thus, the Scriptures are inspired by God by means of His holy spirit - Psalms 104:30 - because God sends forth His spirit.
    Through God's spirit then Moses 'spoke', then later through Jesus - Hebrews 1:1-2.
    After Jesus, Luke wrote that God's spirit 'spoke' through David, in other words, God's spirit 'spoke' beforehand by David's mouth.
    - Acts of the Apostles 1:16; 2 Samuel 23:2; 1st Samuel 16:13 .
    So, the holy spirit is God's spirit that He sends forth to accomplish something - Job 33:4
     
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    Deeje Avid Bible Student
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    Context, context, context.....

    Hebrews 3:1-11.....
    "Consequently, holy brothers, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the apostle and high priest whom we acknowledge—Jesus. 2 He was faithful to the One who appointed him, just as Moses also was in all the house of that One. 3 For he is counted worthy of more glory than Moses, since the one who constructs a house has more honor than the house itself. 4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God. 5 Now Moses was faithful as an attendant in all the house of that One as a testimony of the things that were to be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ was faithful as a son over God’s house. We are His house if, indeed, we hold on firmly to our freeness of speech and the hope of which we boast down to the end.

    7 Therefore, just as the holy spirit says, “Today if you listen to his voice, 8 do not harden your hearts as on the occasion of provoking to bitter anger, as in the day of testing in the wilderness, 9 where your forefathers put me to the test and tried me, despite seeing my works for 40 years. 10 This is why I became disgusted with this generation and said: ‘They always go astray in their hearts, and they have not come to know my ways.’ 11 So I swore in my anger: ‘They will not enter into my rest.’”


    To whom was Paul speaking?.....to those with "the heavenly calling". IOW...the "elect".
    If Jesus is God's equal, then how can he be a High Priest or an apostle? Each are servants of God. Is God his own servant?

    Moses was an attendant in the house of God, but Christ was a faithful son over his Father's house. If he was God, then it was his house too....why did he never say that he was God's equal?

    The holy spirit "speaks" because God inspires his servants to utter his words.
    2 Samuel 3:23...
    "The spirit of Jehovah spoke through me; His word was on my tongue."

    Acts 1:16...
    "Men, brothers, it was necessary for the scripture to be fulfilled that the holy spirit spoke prophetically through David about Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus."

    The holy spirit is not an entity, or third person of a trinity.....it is God's means of fulfilling his purpose to send his power to wherever, or to whomever, it is needed.
    So, the Father speaks by means of his son and also by means of his holy spirit.....no trinity is ever mentioned.

    Your argument is rather weak I'm afraid.....
     
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    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    God is a spirit - not a physical body. And God is holy. So I would turn it around and say God is the Holy Spirit. Not the Holy Spirit is God. (my belief)
     
  6. paarsurrey

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    One Christian quoting Hebrews says "the Holy Spirit"

    Is one a Pauline-Christian mislead by sinful Paul after that he faked a vision to assume an Apostle, please?
    Isn't it simply wrong, please? Did Jesus and or Mary ever pray to this mythical Holy/Evil Spirit ever or worship this Holy/Evil Spirit ever, please?
    If yes, then kindly quote from Jesus and or Mary, please. Right?
    One should, I suggest, leave following Pauline-Christianity and become a true follower of Jesus, please. Right?

    Regards
     
  7. rational experiences

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    Science. Human bio life conscious thinker theorising for statements science. Via speaking using man human words.

    Stated categorically.

    I committed a man human evil sin myself.

    God law in cosmos self consuming mass O known satanic law. Origin of sin. To have mass removed.

    A teaching of natural laws and their histories.

    God O earth mass law was a seal of stone. No argument.

    Man theoried a thesis on how to copy removal of mass.

    Science human chosen act of evil.

    Yet God O mass existed. Heavens as gas mass from God existed.

    One non existence radiation UFO effect.

    Giving God O core earth heart radiation mass released to space deep pit. A science effect. Satanism.

    God gases a statement claim that images of man human are god spirit owned. Gases that allow human images to transmit move through heavens.

    Evil image is God gases converted to radiation gas states that God gas spirits don't historic own. Alien effect what God never was......changed.

    As it is changed by human man science introduction extra RA radiation by mass that does not allow stone to exist

    Which is just a known human science status I caused it. I removed God natural gas spirits via nuclear conversion.

    Basic human advice about what he did as he the thinking man .....man making a psychic appraisal to be informed without owning any proof by science methods as it is not science owned.

    What you always lied about science was never God.
     
  8. Brian2

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    As you know, Jesus took the nature of a servant when He became a man (Phil 2:7) and he learnt obedience (Heb 5:8) even to the point of death (Phil 2:8) and has not inherited the name above ALL names, (not all "other" names, as the NWT has altered to scriptures to read.) We even worship at the name of Jesus. (Phil 2:9-11)
    Phil 2:9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

    We worship Jesus at the mention of His name. The name above all names. The context shows that the Watchtower should have changed "Lord" in that last line to "Jehovah", but they did not.

    Saying that Jesus is a faithful son over His Father's house shows His equality with His Father, but also His being the Son. He is not the Father (as the Watchtower likes to say the trinitarians teach) but is the Son who has the same nature as His Father and does as His Father bids, but He was not a servant until He took that nature when He became a man. All these things have to be pieced together.
    His Sonship is not that of a creature. We know He was not created unless He created Himself because of John 1:3 and the other places we are told of ALL THINGS being created through Him, and "through" does not mean that Jesus was a tradesman as there are a couple of places where it is God who has the honor of all things being "through" Him (eg Romans 11:36)

    At last you get to answering the post about the Holy Spirit.
    2Cor 3:17,18 in the New World Translation says
    17 Now Jehovah is the Spirit, and where the spirit of Jehovah is, there is freedom.
    18 And all of us, while we with unveiled faces reflect like mirrors the glory of Jehovah, are transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another, exactly as it is done by Jehovah the Spirit.

    Now that is interesting for an organisation that says the Holy Spirit is not a being. I guess it was preferable to change "Lord" to "Jehovah" here than for it to look like "the Lord is the Spirit".
    But I guess lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God (Acts 5:4)
    But of course there is only one Spirit (Eph 4:4-6) and so the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ are the one Spirit, that one that the NWT calls Jehovah. The Father and Son come together in the one Spirit. The Father and Son come to live with ANYONE who loves them. This is when they receive the Holy Spirit. And notice it says "anyone", there is no special group of Christians who receive the Holy Spirit and who are in the New Covenant. That is the only way to be a Christian. NOTHING in the scriptures tells us otherwise,,,,,,,,,,,,but the Watchtower does when it builds it's man made group around their interpretation of the symbolic book of Revelation.
    John 14:23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.
    But I digress.
    The Spirit was with Israel in the wilderness and grieved their lack of faith and disobedience. (Isa 63:10)
    We also can grieve the Holy Spirit (Eph 4:30)
    The Spirit teaches us John 14:26) and is alive and witnesses to our spirit (Romans 8) and knows the mind of God just as our spirit knows our mind. (1Cor 2:11) (but you don't believe we have a spirit-----hmmmm it is interesting how doctrines overlap)
    Our body is the temple of the Holy Spirit (1Cor 6:19) (sounds as if the Holy Spirit is God living in His temple)
    The Holy Spirit lives in Christians forever and is the "living water" that Jesus promised the woman at the well. (John 14:17, John 4:10)
    There is certainly much evidence for the Spirit being God and being alive. It is certainly better to look at the scriptures than to listen to the words of men.
     
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    You are correct. The name above all names is God's name. According to Paul, in the passage you quote from Philippians, God has bestowed on Jesus God's own name. That means those words spoken in Isa 45, of which Paul is quoting, were spoken by God about Jesus before he was born.
     
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    Who do you think the “His” is in that? Whose voice the Holy Spirit is?
     
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    Friends @Teritos and others who have participated in this thread, please.

    One may like to read my post #1904 in another thread which is much related here in this thread also, I understand:

    Is this the Holy Spirit or, as I understand, the Evil one that guides the LDS , the JWs, the Catholics and the Protestants (32000+ denomination of the Pauline-Christendom) differently that makes them poles apart from one another, please?
    Can’t one make this Holy/Evil to understand to give one message instead of the contradictory and different ones to all of them, please?
    Right friends, please?

    Regards
     
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    O cooling.

    Evolution a human science thesis. Spirit gases are god in the heavens.

    Flesh of God earth stone angel entity. Seal against hell burning within.

    O cooling rolling effect.

    Gods name as God creating cooling.

    Stating God never owned any name.

    O says rolling spin is a G flow spiral into O splitting O DD value.

    Movement of the spirit upon the deep in space. G O D it's own name hence no man can name God as GOD is the creator spirit movement.

    Evolution by status of GOD cooling.

    Exactly what spiritual minds knew. Exactly what they taught. And stated categorically never give evolution a name again.
     
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    How many christian denominations worldwide? | the Way?
     
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