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The Hierarchy of the Priesthood.

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Yahcubs777, Mar 27, 2021.

  1. Yahcubs777

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    At the top, is the Prophetic and the Apostolic.

    The Prophetic is referring to the people that can hear from GOD inaudibly, decipher and assimilate what they heard accurately, and then teach the people. Elijah (EL-YAH) which are triplets; three distinct persons which operate by the same authority and priesthood, is the Prophet of the highest order. There are Major Prophets and there are minor Prophets, and there is "the Prophet". "The Prophet" is ELYAH... You will see that the Prophets names mostly end in EL, or ah, sound. Such as Dani-el, Ezeki-el, Samu-el, And Isai-ah, Jeremi-ah, No-ah. The Y stands for Yah.. EL Y AH. Thus the Prophets, both major and minor all come under "The Prophet" in terms of rank, and ability.

    While the Apostolic is referring to those who were taught by GOD directly. Apostles such as Moses, Noah, Abraham, Samuel, Daniel, Enoch, Samson, Gideon, Jephter, Zerubbabel, Joshua, David.

    Thus, we have the Law, and the Prophets.

    Then there are the 12 that Jesus His Pre-Eminence taught directly. The reason they were called Apostles is that they were taught by GOD directly.

    Peter, James, John, Philip, Thomas, Judas, Bartholomew, Matthew, Simon, Andrew, James, Judas Iscariot

    Of these 12, three were to represent the law (james), the Word (Peter), and the Prophet (John)..

    Only these 12 are Apostles separate from those that came before that I named. Matthias is not an apostle. GOD did not teach him directly. Saul paul claims to have been, but his writings do not agree with Revelation. Ill leave that to you to decide.

    However, there should only be 12. standing in the shoes of the 12 tribes of Israel, not 11, not 13 for that foundation is faulty. Not one tribe or patriarch was replaced, nor was any tribe cut off. And no new tribes were added. There are 12 only, and that is the concrete foundation of the nation of Israel.

    So what makes a person a Prophet?

    It is that the person has in them the Spirit of Prophecy; which they were born with; and thus has the ability hear from GOD inaudibly, decode/decipher, assimilate, and teach the people. A Prophet is sent with his message to the people. A Prophet is not only a seer, but he was given a message, a detailed message to give to the people about GOD's Logos.

    What makes a person an Apostle?

    A person that was taught directly by the GOD whether it be inaudibly, or audibly. Thus not all apostles are Prophets. Peter, the apostle, is not a Prophet. Moses (though this will cause argument) is not a Prophet.

    The Prophetic, and the Apostolic are all sent ones, some of them are Prophets, all of them are Apostles. Therefore, the Prophetic is above the Apostolic.

    As it was written: The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of Prophecy. It was supposed to say:
    The Gospel of Jesus Christ is "preached by" the Spirit of Prophecy.

    Thus the hierarchial order is as follows:

    Prophet:

    A Prophet is born a Prophet; it is not a gift or talent. It is an ability. You cannot pray and receive the gift of Prophecy. It does not work that way. Saul said to covet it, Moses said thou shalt not covet... So you decide which you think is true.

    Apostle:

    An Apostle is a person taught by GOD directly not through the mouth or teachings of other sent ones.

    Pastor:

    • A Pastor cannot ordain another pastor.
    • A Pastor is ordained by the Prophet or Apostle. No person claiming to be a pastor that was ordained by another pastor, and/or received certification from a seminary school, is actually a Pastor.
    • A Pastor is ordained only by an Apostle or Prophet.
    • A pastor cannot hear from GOD directly.
    • A Pastor does not have the authority, to be separate from the Prophet or Apostle that ordained him and start opening up churches.

    The body is one. The body has one head. Not thousands of different heads.

    GOD does not call Pastors to lead churches directly.

    Deacon

    A Deacon is ordained by the Prophet or Apostle

    Evangelist

    The Evangelist is ordained by the Prophet or Apostle

    Prostelyte.

    A Prostelyte is not ordained.


    Where Saul Paul said:

    11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

    12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

    13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:


    It was not well explained. It is not that just by prayer, or by coveting it, or claiming its yours, that you can be made a Prophet, or apostle. Here is speaking of the GOD giving children to parents. And the Prophetic and the Apostolic has the foundation of it which was pre-determined by the birth of the person's Spirit in the super-bio... For GOD is the giver of Children. Isaiah 9:6 Jeremiah 1:5

    For example: John the Baptist is Elijah and what was spoke of him is: Of all born of a woman there is none greater than that of John the Baptist. Which means "The Prophet" that was given as a child to Zachariah and Elizabeth who is greater than they were, was given to them by the GOD.

    Samson is an Apostle, and was given to his parents. Samuel is an Apostle and a Prophet; an Apostle because of his rank in the kingdom, a Prophet because he has the Spirit of Prophecy; and was given to Hannah. Noah was given as a son of lamech...

    Thus, GOD has been giving children: Some Prophets, some Apostles, Some Evangelists, Some pastors and so on since procreation began.

    Then Verse 12:
    12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

    What does this mean to you? Perfecting of the saints? Which of the preachers in the earth today are prophets and apostles? and which of the denominations, sects, and catholic/christian religious groups agree with each other? Yet all are consistent in saying that Jesus His Pre-Eminence is the Son of GOD. And if that is true, then what does this verse mean?

    Then moving onto Verse 13:
    Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

    Look at that! The Verse that exposes every church in the world today! The verse that shows that they are not doing the works of the ministry. That they are all divided. Jesus His Pre-Eminence said: A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.

    What is the knowledge of the Son of GOD that will unify the church? After all, they are all saying same thing; that Jesus (His Pre-Eminence ) is LORD, and savior, and HE is the Son of GOD. Then they also are saying that HE is GOD. This message at least is not different, even if they have theological differences. Some say only the Son of GOD, others say both, the message which is consistent with all is that Jesus (His Pre-Eminence) is the Son of GOD.

    Thus, how can this be true if it has the churches divided? Then looking at the latter part of the verse:

    Unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ....

    Have you, the church understood what this means? I won't explain it, think about it, meditate in it, seek it and see what you discover.

    So there is the Order of the Priesthood. There is the Order of the Church. And its not something that you get by prayer, or coveting. Prophets are born, not made.
     
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    In my opinion there is no heirarchy with God, God speaks to whoever God wishes, who recieve God's thoughts in accordance with their own capacity, coloured by the lens of the human ego.

    But those who recieve God's message are not above those who do not, they must demonstrate virtue like anyone else - in my opinion.
     
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    So what it does it mean: GOD is the rewarder of them that dilligently seek HIM?
     
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    In my opinion it means the ancient men who wrote the scriptures thought God is an egotistical being who favours bottom kissers over the virtuous.
     
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    It doesn't. It means that the Spirit seeketh the deep things of GOD. That the seeking HIM is done from the Spirit point, and the level of seeking reveals your soldier rank.
     
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    Where do bishops fit into this hierarchy, in your view? And what version of Christianity/Bible belief do you identify with, by the way?
     
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    They do not fit in. I am a member of the Ark of Jesus Ministries international.
     
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    Meet the Bishop – Ark Of Jesus Ministries
     
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    Hierarchy*

    Is it this one?

    Home - Ark Of Jesus Ministries International

    The Greek term in the New Testament translated bishop is episkopos, as in:

    The saying is sure: whoever aspires to the office of bishop desires a noble task. Now a bishop must be above reproach, married only once, temperate, sensible, respectable, hospitable, an apt teacher, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, and not a lover of money. 1 Timothy 3:1-3
     
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    What does Bishop mean?
     
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    That's what I'm asking you. Depends what variety of Christian you ask.
     
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    There has to be a meaning in the mankind Heirarchy, for there to be any such thing as a bishop.
     
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    I think definitions change over time;

    oversight - Episkope
        1. overseership, office, charge, the office of an elder
        2. the overseer or presiding officers of a Christian church

    In today's lingo, it may have different applications. Bishop may be an Apostle but still, usually, an elder.
     
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    I have Jesus at the top. And Paul was taught by Jesus too.

    Don't agree with all your positions... but, hey, as long as you love God with all of your heart and love your neighbor as yourself.
     
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