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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by SA Huguenot, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. Wasp

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    That's not Salafi.
     
  2. Wasp

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    Salafism by definition means Islam.
     
  3. Saint Frankenstein

    Saint Frankenstein Pyrphóros ⚡ Lux Aeterna
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    Yeah, it is: IslamQA - Wikipedia

    It's run by a Saudi Salafi. They're the source of most of the nuttery in modern Islam.
     
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    The Saudis arrested him years ago. It's not Salafi. You think it is because of all the propaganda against Islam and Saudi Arabia. Now the people who have learned the word Salafi use it every time they want to talk about a thing in Islam they don't like. None of them know what the word means.
     
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    I don't know what he was arrested for but he did get in trouble before for issuing fatwas when only official Saudi authorities are legally allowed to there. Just because someone is a Salafi doesn't mean they get along with the others.

    Safalism is a fundamentalist Sunni movement. Otherwise, I have no idea what you're trying to get at.
     
  6. danieldemol

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    I view the lack of online resources with suspicion, western folk should have the right to know in writing how the traditional schools of Islam interpret on rulings such as apostasy and insult without having to rely on the marketeering of westernised preachers.
     
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  7. Saint Frankenstein

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    Maybe you should go ask Muslims. I'm not a Muslim and don't spend time on Muslim sites. When I was studying Islam, it through books primilarly, not websites.
     
  8. Wasp

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    Salafism=Islam
    Islam=Salafism
    Fundamentalist=Muslim
    Sunni=Muslim

    What you're talking about is probably Saudi politics. Some people think it's a religious sect.
     
  9. Saint Frankenstein

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    I thought you were a Shia? So I'm confused. Maybe I mixed you up with someone else. But anyway, that's incorrect and only Salafis would say that nonsense since they think they're the only "true Muslims" and the rest are heretics drowning in shirk (takfiris).
     
  10. Wasp

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    Lack of resources?
    There is no lack of it. But.. Maybe you aren't looking for the correct sources. Just for those that tell you what you want to hear.
     
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    I'm not a Shia. It is correct. You are incorrect.
     
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    How childish. Shias, Sufis and so on are Muslims and I don't really care what some modern fundie sect has to say about it.
     
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    I read this link; and I don't see how you are able to determine the "number of Muslims calling for death of apostates".
     
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    Do you notice that I never said anything about someone not being a Muslim? That's the propaganda speaking.

    Define Salafism for me if you like, if you can.
     
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    Maybe because you have biases of your own, after all the Baha'i at least historically is considered a heterodoxical form of Islam. So I can understand why you think the OP bashing Islam is a "critique." By the way, I don't see a few online posters as a representative branch of Islam. We all are a bunch of people online speaking on various subjects.
     
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    It's a Sunni revivalist movement that seeks to return to the "pure Islam" of the early days, and was formed in the late 19th century as a reaction to British imperialism. No, not all Salafis are violent or even political, but many are. Also, you seemed to be saying that the only form of Islam is Salafi Islam. Maybe I misread you or you weren't being clear but that's how it came across.
     
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    If what you are asking for is more transparency, then I agree with you.

    But I think you are asking the wrong question. What matters is: Is this rule about apostasy enforced? How many Muslims want it enforced?

    How the traditional schools of Islam interpret it doesn't matter. Whether or not it is applied, and how Muslims feel about this rule is what matters.
     
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    That's not much of a definition. It merely names it something and claims a time when it began. Salafi is a person who follows the way of the Salaf. In other words a Muslim who follows the Qur'an and the Sunnah. And a Muslim is someone who follows the Qur'an and the Sunnah. A Sunni by definition is a Muslim who follows the Qur'an and the Sunnah. See what I'm getting at? They are literally the same. This so called "Salafism" seems different to the victims of propaganda because they can't separate it from the politics of Saudi Arabia. Which is also why whenever a question arises as to what this that they call a "sect" of Islam is, they immediately start talking about politics.
     
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    Yes what I am asking for is more transparency on the consensus of the traditional schools of Islam.

    How many Muslims want it enforced will depend on how many are brainwashed into believing the traditional schools of Islam represent God’s will, and it would be unwise to assume they are a minority. If people who reject all four(?) schools are in the majority I would certainly want to know that rather than just having it assumed.
     
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    They are perfectly transperent. Use the Internet. You can email the scholars of the traditional schools. Ask them what you want.
     
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